[Tagging] Tagging cycleways to distinguish them from combined cycle and footways

[Jens Glad Balchen]

On 03.08.2022 09:31, Jeroen Hoek wrote:
> On 02-08-2022 23:42, Jens Glad Balchen wrote:
>> Pedestrians are compelled in the Norwegian highway code to use
>> footways, sidewalks, or the road's shoulder, except when or where
>> that wouldn't be possible, practical, or safe. In these cases
>> pedestrians may use cycleways, cycle lanes or carriageways (cycleway
>> and carriageway in this context meaning the part of the road meant
>> for regular vehicle traffic, so not including the hard or soft
>> shoulder).
>
> Does this mean that if there is a road with a parallel highway=cycleway,
> pedestrians must use the road's shoulder instead of the cycleway?

Just to be clear: A cycleway is a road, and a carriageway is a road.

So what you're asking is: when there is a carriageway with a parallel 
cycleway, are pedestrians compelled to use the carriageway's shoulder 
instead of the cycleway?

They must use either road's shoulder when they can instead of using 
either road's "way" (carriageway or cycleway), so if the choice 
hypothecially was only between the carriageway's shoulder and the 
cycleway, and the cycleway's shoulder for some reason was not a choice, 
the carriageway's shoulder is what the law says they must choose.

>
> In the Netherlands if a road has a cycleway (not lane) parallel to it, 
> pedestrians must use these instead of the road, unless sidewalks or 
> other parallel pedestrian specific footways are present; then the 
> cycleway may not be used either. To mark those cases where the 
> pedestrian path is mapped separately, we use foot=use_sidepath (on the 
> road and sometimes on the cycleway as well). This is like foot=no, but 
> it explains more clearly why pedestrians may not use it. It basically 
> means that while there is no traffic sign forbidding pedestrians, the 
> law says that there is a parallel (separately mapped) way you must use.

For cycleway with sidewalk, the sidewalk is almost never mapped 
separately. If it is mapped separately, foot=use_sidepath make sense. 
But these cycleways are not the primary issue, since they would be 
tagged with sidewalk/segregated/use_sidewalk, and so are at least 
recognisable for what they are. The primary issue is how to tag a 
cycleway that does not have a sidewalk at all.

> I can also recommend defining presets for use in ID and JOSM. That 
> helps set most tags right in one go. In the Netherlands we include the 
> relevant traffic sign as well (so other mappers know on what basis the 
> access tags where set), and add the correct mofa=* and moped=* access 
> tags.

How would I propose such a preset? It would be very useful.

Cheers,

Jens