[Tagging] I am reverting an edit to the "Names" page on the Wiki

[stevea]

Echoing Richard, cc:ing Mateusz, rather directly addressing bgo_eiu:  please don’t consider this hostile disagreement, but I consider wiki Talk (Discussion) pages to be a very public aspect of OSM.  They are an open invitation to have a discussion, of course it should be relevant to their “parent” Page.

If it is true that a “tiny minority” uses this venue, that isn’t because of their openness (they are, as I say very open), it is certainly for a variety of other reasons, such as “didn’t know that was available,” or “haven’t signed up for the (separate from my OSM account) credentials to post to our wiki” (which is a very low bar of entry for those who haven’t contributed to wiki).  It isn’t because of a “tiny minority” of opinion.

And to prevent misunderstanding, I know quite well that OSM itself has many, many avenues for discussion:  some discussions are “more internal to OSM” (wiki is what I consider “closest”) but there are talk-lists and the newer Discourse servers (still “close” to OSM’s heart and soul) and others which are farther away like commercial social media.  Some people simply will not use the latter (or venues like Slack) for various reasons, like overtly onerous Terms of Service agreements or because they are proprietary and not truly “open,” what some feel is contrary to OSM’s “first name.”

There is no “all points bulletin” linguistic register in our project; indeed, it can be difficult to address a “wider community” in OSM.  As we strive to do so, we must continue to do our best with respect, decorum and politeness.

Disputes between two individual people are better / best dealt with on a less-public channel once they get so heated that they include name-calling or other inflammatory behavior (using words like “your whining”).  More community-wide channels (like this one) sometimes need reminders (like this one) that inappropriate / immature behavior should take such conversations elsewhere.  OSM is no place for insults.  Complaints are allowed and even encouraged when something is truly wrong, but these should never devolve into personal attacks.  All of us are human, mistakes will always be made in OSM, and for the most part, we know how to “gently correct” these.  Let’s keep up that good work.

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 5:02 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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> 1) Then why you mentions Slack as a relevant thing?
> 
> 2) important issues can be discussed with a wider community,
> not just with a tiny minority using wiki talk pages
> 
> Aug 12, 2022, 10:11 by tagging at openstreetmap.org:
> The topic at hand is an update I made to the wiki. Anyone is free to discuss this on the Wiki, where this discussion belongs.
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> ------- Original Message -------
> On Thursday, August 11th, 2022 at 5:08 PM, Richard Fairhurst <richard at systemed.net> wrote:
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> 
>> bgo_eiu wrote:
>> > I don't think many people have ever agreed with your whining 
>> > on here. I notice people complain about your Wiki edits on 
>> > Slack regularly.
>> 
>> This is not how we conduct ourselves on here. Please desist.
>> 
>> Richard
>> sporadic tagging@ list admin