[Tagging] Homogenize diplomatic tags

Thu Dec 15 19:55:52 UTC 2022

 > Deal?

No.

You appeared to have ignored the advice that you were given and gone 
ahead and performed a mechanical edit anyway.

I only spotted it by accident when I noticed that the documented keys 
that I was using**** which used to have data in them no longer did:

  * https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Adiplomatic%3Dambassadors_residence
  * https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Adiplomatic%3Dconsulate_general
    **
  * https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Adiplomatic%3Dhigh_commission
  * https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Adiplomatic%3Dhonorary_consulate

** One of these (and only one) - 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Adiplomatic%3Dconsulate_general 
- has an entry at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/overflorian-mass-edits/consulate_general 
.  I cannot see any discussion regarding this (2022) change.  You did 
try this previously 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-February/059174.html 
and were reverted 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-February/059178.html 
because you did not discuss it then.  You then created 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/consulate_general 
and received broad support for it 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-February/059682.html 
, but then it went quiet.

However - nothing whatsoever about the others.  You didn't bother to 
wait for a reply to the message below, you (and 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/zorglubu , who actually created the 
maproulette automated edit challenges***) just went ahead and did the 
changes anyway.

*** See 
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/maproulette-request-for-comments-liking-and-flagging-challenges/5838/5 
and 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117329397#map=19/5.57773/-0.16239

Quoting from my comment there "[challenges] 24298, 24297, 24296 and 
24295 look like just trying to change one set of tags for another":

id    24298
name    "Replace the diplomatic=ambassadors_residence tag with 
diplomatic=embassy + embassy=residence"

id    24297
name    "Replace diplomatic=delegation with diplomatic=embassy + 
embassy=delegation"

id    24296
name    "Replace diplomatic=permanent_mission with diplomatic=embassy + 
embassy=mission"

id    24295
name    "Replace diplomatic=high_commission with diplomatic=embassy + 
embassy=high_commission"

Clearly "replace tag X with tag Y" IS a just mechanical edit.

**** Browse to 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/projects/someoneelse_style#tags and 
sort by "count" ascending.  Note the documented tags (tick in the "wiki" 
column" with zero usage now.

Now we have a mess - we have unused but documented tags like 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Adiplomatic%3Dambassadors_residence 
and used but undocumented ones like 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:consulate%3Dhonorary_consulate 
(to be fair, that tag change was done by a different mapper - see 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4773735650/history - but in exactly 
the same way, undiscussed mechanical edit by maproulette)

Normally I'd suggest just reverting your undiscussed mechanical edits 
(like Frederik did before), but this far on from the change I'm not 
convinced that would be the best approach.  Despite no other data 
consumers other than me being registered as using those tags 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/embassy=mission#projects there 
may well be others and a change back may cause as many problems as your 
edits have caused me.  What it would make sense to do is for you to 
document the mechanical edits that you have performed, and fill in any 
gaps in documentation in the wiki. Please, if you feel tempted to do 
this again, follow 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct .

Best Regards,

Andy

On 31/01/2022 17:19, Florian LAINEZ wrote:
> Hi,
>
>     * An OSMer with considerable experience of this area has written
>     about this in the past:
>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/apm-wa/diary/45200
>
> Thanks for the link, I'm already in touch with apm-wa regarding the 
> diplomatic tagging on-going work
>
>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Ddiplomatic#How_to_map
>     (which is linked from the above) does contain a lot more detail -
>     it says things like "diplomatic:services:citizen_services=yes/no -
>     Availability of passport and other document services, for citizens
>     of the sending country of the diplomatic office"
>
> That is done by choice: more detailed tags such as 
> diplomatic:services:citizen_services=yes/no is not part of these 
> specific tasks in order to remain focused and avoid mistakes.
>
>     However, I'm not convinced that relatively new mappers (who are
>     the target of MapRoulette after all) are going to do much of that
>     or even understand it, and I'm worried that it'll end up as a
>     mechnical-turk-driven "search and replace".
>
> After your feedback, I've done some extra testing. Here's my feedback:
> - diplomatic=ambassadors_residence : the challenge is ready to publish
> - diplomatic=delegation : the challenge is ready to publish
> - diplomatic=high_commission : the challenge is ready to publish
> - diplomatic=permanent_mission : most of the cases are in New-York : 
> the challenge is ready to publish or we could also consider a 
> mechanical edit
> - diplomatic=permanent_mission : I found several wrongly tags 
> examples, this should be handled only be experienced mappers
> - non_diplomatic : should be managed by experienced mappers only
>
> Deal?
>
> Le sam. 29 janv. 2022 à 07:17, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 
> <tagging at openstreetmap.org> a écrit :
>
>
>
>
>     Jan 28, 2022, 23:37 by graemefitz1 at gmail.com:
>
>
>
>         On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 04:57, Andy Townsend
>         <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             * An OSMer with considerable experience of this area has
>             written about this in the past:
>             https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/apm-wa/diary/45200
>
>
>         Nice clear explanation, from somebody who well & truly knows
>         the subject!
>
>         Is it permitted to link to that diary entry from the wiki?
>
>     Yes, it is 100% fine, welcome, desirable and useful to link relevant
>     diary entries, mailing list threads and other materials.
>
>     (as citation in <ref>citation</ref> or in external links section
>     are the
>     most typical)
>
>     Feel free to improve wiki, this is very useful!
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