[Tagging] An after-burner meta-discussion

[Zeke Farwell]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 3:36 AM David Marchal via Tagging <
tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> The french OSM community recently changed its forum software for a
> Discourse instance, which allow such interactions. Could this help the
> debates? I think so.
>

For anyone who isn't already aware, a Discourse <https://www.discourse.org/>
instance is being set up at community.openstreetmap.org to serve the global
OSM community.  The instance currently running there is for testing and the
data will be deleted before the official launch, but everyone should feel
free to explore the platform to see how it works.  You sign in with your
main osm.org account.  It looks like the Operations Team is working
through some
technical issues
<https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/377#issuecomment-979917530>
that need to be resolved before launch.  The Discourse motto is "Civilized
discussion for your community" and I am hopeful that this platform can help
move things in that direction when it launches.


On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:02 AM bkil <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> wrote:

> This would surely not apply to every page in the wiki, but only under
> a designated prefix used just for those discussions where no consensus
> could be achieved in the past.
>
> We could also create an improved JavaScript based mediawiki
> editor/viewer to do this consistently as well.
>
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 3:54 PM David Marchal via Tagging
> <tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm afraid that we can't expect all editors to respect this discipline:
> there will always be people which will not read/pay attention/care. Would
> your system still work if many contributors don't respect these rules?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
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> > ------- Original Message -------
> >
> > bkil <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> schrieb am Dienstag, 15. Februar 2022 um
> 15:41:
> >
> > > Friendica supports likes & dislikes. But you could simulate this on
> > >
> > > mediawiki as well with a little discipline:
> > >
> > > -   factor each atomic (usually a few sentences) thought into a
> separate
> > >
> > >     subsection
> > > -   open a like & dislike paragraph after each subsection where
> reacting
> > >
> > >     people could add their name
> > >
> > >     On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 3:31 PM David Marchal via Tagging
> > >
> > >     tagging at openstreetmap.org wrote:
> > >
> > > > AFAIK, the "thank" action only notifies the author; one could see
> that as an attaboy: the thanked person knows that someone liked his/her
> edit, but that's all. Hardly a reputation system…
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > ------- Original Message -------
> > > >
> > > > Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com schrieb am Dienstag, 15.
> Februar 2022 um 12:46:
> > > >
> > > > Am Di., 15. Feb. 2022 um 11:37 Uhr schrieb David Marchal via Tagging
> tagging at openstreetmap.org:
> > > >
> > > > > I simply wanted to add that the "humming" might be achieve with
> the Emoji system I talked about: the contributor/chair/moderator wanting a
> hum on a point asks a question and tell "React with 👍 or 👎 (or with 1 to
> 5 ⭐, ⭐ meaning you strongly disagree, ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ meaning that you strongly
> agree) to see where we can try to lead this debate". The RFC you pointed
> gives sound advice about how to manage this result.
> > > >
> > > > Some time ago, I proposed to add a simple rating system for wiki
> edits (thumbs up / thumbs down), so that consensus with edits could be
> measured and authors could gain or loose reputation. Later a system was
> implemented which allows to thank the author of a wiki edit. Unfortunately,
> as stats are not visible (you cannot see how many thanks an authors has
> received, neither in total nor for a specific edit, nor does it seem the
> authors themselves are notified, or maybe nobody ever thanked me), and as
> there is still no way to express dissent with an edit (apart from
> discussing it and or reverting it), it currently does not seem to do
> anything.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dieterdreist/diary/44271
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
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