[Tagging] Parking lane tagging - city_parking_zone as extra condition value

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Is it a 
- operated by town/city
- parking zone over some area larger than a single group of parking lots
- restriction applying only during events
?

14 Jan 2022, 00:24 by graemefitz1 at gmail.com:

> Mentioned previously
>
> In a similar concept, nearby, we have: > https://goo.gl/maps/GZQ6yubLHFv4dMfJ8> Map of the area:> https://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/files/sharedassets/public/pdfs/brochures-amp-factsheets/map-traffic-area-robina.pdf> How would that one work?
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 02:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> tagging at openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
>
>> I am slowly creating
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/city_parking_zone_as_parking:condition_value
>> (or now, it is mostly copy-paste of that message and not finished)
>>
>> Noone commented so far - but if anyone feels that it is unwanted/silly idea
>> it would be much better to comment now rather then 
>> during vote after investing several hours of work into it.
>>
>>
>> Dec 19, 2021, 00:00 by >> tagging at openstreetmap.org>> :
>>
>>> This can work with both just proposed tagging and existing one.
>>>
>>> I also thought about municipal_parking_zone as value.
>>>
>>> This idea relies on following assumptions
>>>
>>> * it is useful to gather/tag info "this is a city parking zone" even if 
>>> further info is not tagged immediately
>>> * extra info can be added without on site survey (because it is often 
>>> the same for entire city or the same in entire districts)
>>> * tagging full info is often obnoxious and hard to maintain, while 
>>> gathering it with one value would allow coordinated updates across city
>>>
>>> Example from Kraków, Poland.
>>>
>>> Area and subareas are well defined, but this rules apply only on public roads. 
>>> See >>> https://zdmk.krakow.pl/parkowanie/strefa-platnego-parkowania/mapy/mapa-strefy/
>>> for an official map.
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/414860799>>>  is in A1 subarea but
>>> city parking rules do not apply there as it is internal road 
>>> of Jagiellonian University from legal viewpoint.
>>>
>>> For >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294128564>>>  this parking rules apply.
>>>
>>> This info is not obvious and requires survey/research.
>>>
>>> Tagging full rules would require noting that
>>> - parking is paid
>>> - parking is free on Sundays and during night (from 20.00 to 10.00)
>>> - charge strongly reduced for residents with long-term permits
>>>
>>> The first two rules are (in case that new tagging would be accepted)
>>>
>>> parking:condition:*=ticket
>>> parking:condition:*:conditional=free @ (Su, Mo-Fr 20:00-10:00)
>>>
>>> with the current tagging
>>> parking:condition:*:ticket:time_interval=Mo-Fr 10:00-20:00
>>> parking:condition:*:free:time_interval=Mo-Fr 20:00-10:00,Su
>>>
>>> tagging this requires checking syntax on wiki (or dedicated editor),
>>> checking exact parking rules on 
>>> https://zdmk.krakow.pl/parkowanie/strefa-platnego-parkowania/informacje-ogolne-i-oplaty/>>>  
>>> and inputting all of that for every single road segment with parkings.
>>>
>>> Even with nice interface (I am working on one exactly right now) collecting
>>> this info would be really obnoxious.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that collecting just 
>>> parking:condition:*=city_parking_zone during survey and later 
>>> armchair adding
>>> parking:condition:*:conditional=ticket; free @ (Su, Mo-Fr 20:00-10:00)
>>> to all
>>> parking:condition:*=city_parking_zone
>>> would be better workflow.
>>>
>>> There are also some minor benefits:
>>> And also makes easier to handle changes in rules (Saturdays used to be also free)
>>> And allows distinguishing between city-operated parking and privately operated
>>> (residents may have paid parking only for the first one)
>>>
>>> And negatives:
>>> One more extra rule to suppport and understand.
>>>
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