[Tagging] Deprecating phone=* in favor of more ambiguity in the database

[s8evq]

I have a feeling some people's opinions weigh more than other. If Richard, Mateusz and Frederick Ramm say NO, it's NO and everybody else should just comply with that.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:31:42 +0100, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 1/28/22 19:21, mail at marcos-martinez.net wrote:
> > The previous debate happened in May 2020, more than 1 year and 8 months ago.
> 
> And it was the second debate about the topic, and it did not anything 
> new over the first debate.
> 
> > If the above is interpreted as established community consensus which is 
> > not to be challenged under penalty of banning, 
> 
> I think the penalty of banning comes from a moderator saying "if you do 
> this again I will ban you". If such a warning is blatantly and willfully 
> ignored without consequence, we might as well do away with moderators 
> altogether.
> 
> As for consensus, taginfo says that "phone" outnumbers "contact:phone" 
> by 4:1 and the number of people "having last edited" an object with 
> "phone" outnumbers those having last edited an object with 
> "contact:phone" by 6:1.
> 
> I am rather tired of hearing the same old "oh but OSM should have a 
> CLEAN data structure where everything is nicely put in a NAMESPACE" 
> discussion again. Saying "if you don't like the topic, ignore it" is 
> cynical; first of all, once there are too many topics I don't like on 
> the mailing list, I will dislike the whole mailing list; secondly, Sören 
> bringing up the same old topic again forces me to re-iterate the same 
> old arguments against, or else someone will say "hey, see, nobody was 
> against it".
> 
> I am not a list moderator but I am in the Data Working Group and when we 
> say to someone "don't do this again" (even if it should be something 
> that other users can do with impunity) and this person smiles in our 
> faces while he's doing the exact thing again, then of course we block 
> them, and we most certainly don't first start a poll among OSM users 
> whether they think this is just.
> 
> So,
> 
> 1. OSM doens't have a nice and clean data model as taught in your 
> computer sciene 1+1 and if you can't wrap your head around this then go 
> play somewhere else;
> 
> 2. specifically, the phone tag is totally fine and we don't need 
> contact:phone to store two million times in our database that by the 
> way, a phone is some way of contacting someone;
> 
> 3. and Richard was totally right to follow through on his announcement 
> to not tolerate the same discussion for a third time.
> 
> Bye
> Frederik
> 
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