[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

[Minh Nguyen]

Vào lúc 17:24 2022-11-19, Matija Nalis đã viết:
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 12:12:22 +0100 (CET), Cartographer10 via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>> This proposal makes sure there are 2 required platforms where people have to announce it. That way people have the
>> choice to follow one of the two channels of their choice to get updated on proposals. It is up to the proposal author
>> to announce it on other channels to increase the reach.
> 
> I'd at least put in a requirement that if proposal author announces the discussion in X extra channels (i.e. anywhere
> more than Tagging ML), that they must follow ALL that X extra channels and summarize in Wiki Talk page all points that
> have been risen (including those that they think don't matter or disagree with. Especially those!) and THEN have extra
> RFC period after all those X channels have been summarized, before proceeding to the Voting.
> 
> Because, someone has to do that summarizing work for extra channels to make sense, and it is IMHO only fair that would
> be proposal author (expecting that EVERYBODY will do that SAME task is both extremely wasteful, hugely unrealistic,
> and likely to lead to few participating members willing to do that becoming burned out prematurely).

There are already other communication channels announcing proposals 
independently of the formal requirements. You've mentioned weeklyOSM 
(which has a comments section) and I've mentioned OSMUS Slack. 
Practically speaking, no one can fully understand the discussion in 
every community. That's a much higher bar than just announcing something.

For example, I think it would be perfectly reasonable to alert OSM Japan 
Slack about my next proposal, but my nonexistent Japanese skills would 
be catastrophically inadequate to capture the sentiment there. It would 
be better to candidly state upfront that I'm unable to respond to 
individual comments there and direct interested mappers to the wiki talk 
page, where hopefully others can engage as necessary.

All too often, a proposal announcement on this list ends with an 
exhortation to comment on the wiki talk page, inevitably leading to a 
long thread here instead. Where is the requirement to summarize the 
tagging list thread, for the benefit of ordinary mappers who will be 
voting but can't easily follow Mailman's deeply nested threads split 
across monthly archives? After all, the proposal guidelines have never 
required _voters_ to subscribe to the tagging list.

Maybe a better model would be for each community to take some of the 
burden off the proposal and have one or more self-appointed liaisons 
handle announcements and communicate the most salient ideas back to a 
single source of truth (the wiki, or wherever we decide to hold votes in 
the future). This would apply to the tagging list as well as the 
community forum.

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minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us