[Tagging] Proposal: Use description instead of name for route relations

[Warin]

On 17/10/23 23:22, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:51 AM Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
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>     On 17/10/23 04:17, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>     Presently, it's common for route relations to have names that
>>     violate "name is only the name" and "name is not ref" and "name
>>     is not description" rules for name=* tags.
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>     I don't find it common in 'my area' of mapping. One or two
>     examples would demonstrate the situation?
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>     In any case:
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>     The name tag is used on may things for example; buildings, parks,
>     schools, highways ...
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>     The use of the name tag as 'name only' applies where ever the name
>     tag is used. This is similar for other tags such as elevation,
>     width, colour etc. No matter what feature they are used on the
>     tags carry the same characteristics and restrictions. It is not
>     necessary to repeat these characteristics and restrictions for
>     every main feature.
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> Routes have names, too!  For example, here's the relation for OK 51, 
> named for the name of the route. 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3108562
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> Meanwhile, I 40 in Arkansas has a good example of a name that is 
> actually a ref and a description, not a name. 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6843700
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>  Finally, OK 19 is an example of a properly described no-name route. 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7479405


Ok. I still don't see a necessity of repeating the name tag information 
inside the relation tag... Will you also repeat the ref tag information, 
the description tag information? How about the surface tag, maxspeed tag 
etc etc..

In some cases where I have come across it I have simply stated 'The name 
tag is for the name only. See 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Name_is_the_name_only' and I 
follow it up by making the correction/s. Don't think I have ever had an 
argument about it.

The https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/331438 use of the name tag 
goes back 14 years ago ... to a mapper who was only just starting out.. 
The ref tag came along some 3 years later... You may find similar 
historical sources for the use of the name tag...
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