[Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Peter Neale]

Hi,
It is my understanding, from the Wiki at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle, that "bicycles=yes" means that bicycles are permitted, but says nothing about the ease of riding one there. 
It is "bicycles=yes" and not "bicycles=designated" because, for a bridleway   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway"Cyclists also have a right, unless the local authority makes orders to the contrary.... ...The local authority is not obliged to ensure suitability for bicycles, unlike for foot or horse users."#
BTW you can still carry (or push) a bicycle, even where the way is tagged "bicycle=no".  (from the wiki again) "bicycle / no / Where bicycles are not permitted, ensure this is indicated. Note that carrying or pushing bicycles may be still accepted".
So, thanks for asking, but I remain happy with "highway=steps"; "bicycle=yes"
Regards,Peter
 Peter Neale 
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    On Monday, 29 April 2024 at 07:35:48 BST, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:  
 
    Generally speaking, how do we reconcile these two?
 
 bicycle=yes highway=steps
 
 What is a data consumer supposed to infer from this as opposed to just highway=steps? As long as foot=designated, aren't cyclists always allowed to get off the bike and push/carry it? And wouldn't they have to when there are steps?
  
 Jens
 
 On 28/04/2024 21:35, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
  
 
  Hi DaveF, 
  Acting on advice, I have already split the Bridleway and re-tagged 2 sections as: 
    bicycle=yes designation=public_bridleway foot=designated highway=steps horse=designated incline=down  (or up) lit=no surface=paved
   
  The steps can be seen on aerial imagery (a bit fuzzy on Bing, but particularly clear in the aerial imagery whose name shall not be mentioned in OSM), plus I remember running through there a few  months ago, so I know that the steps are there.   I intend to visit again soon and add more detail (number of steps, etc.) 
  Between these is a section of the orignal way, which is now https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1277843368 
  I hope this helps and that you agree with the tagging.
 
     Regards, Peter 
  (PeterPan99)   
  
      On Sunday, 28 April 2024 at 17:35:58 BST, Dave F via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:  
  
     Could you provide the link to the OSM way please?
 DaveF
 
  On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
  
  Advice, please. 
  A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) steps going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar number up again on the other side. 
  How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems to be *an alternative to*, not *a qualification of * "highway=bridleway". I don't want to mislead consumers by breaking the bridleway, but I don't want cycling consumers to be unaware of the fact that there are a few steps to descend / ascend, which may require a dismount. 
  
  
    Regards, Peter 
  (PeterPan99)   
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