[Tagging] When is I oppse vote invalled

[Sebastian Gürtler]

Hello,

I agree Andy nearly completely, but I would recommend Brecht to create
the wiki page for the tag
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:virtual_tour with maybe a link
to the proposal and information that the discussion is ongoing, and a
short comment on what you intend by the key and what not, even at this
point.

... because:

Am 18.11.24 um 16:29 schrieb Andy Townsend:
> Hello,
>
> On 18/11/2024 14:00, brecht devriese wrote:
> [...]
> > So it is normal that it cannot be found in taginfo as it has never
> been used before
>
> This actually isn't normal.
>
> One of the reasons that OSM got to where it is today, leaving numerous
> other "free map" competitors by the roadside, is that people mapping
> things in their neighbourhood don't need to go through some "tag
> approval" process for a new thing that they have just seen, they can
> just make up a tag and continue mapping. Later, if it turns out that a
> better tag is already in use elsewhere for exactly the same thing,
> it's easy to change the tag the tag they used to the more popular one.
>
It is NOT easy, to change the tag, if you don't have a definition of it
and the usage has gone too far. You would have to do mass edits. E.g.
there is an overlap between information=route_marker and
information=trail_blaze . You could make a distinction, but you some
people don't, automated edit's not advisable... (Different uses
dependent on hiking/bicycle and just regions
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1Uly Big dots route_marker, small dots
trail_blaze, red=hiking, green=bicycle, black undefined or other).

> There's a wiki page all about the process:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like .
>
> > Meanwhile, I have used this tag for 4 objects, so this tag now does
> show up in taginfo.
>
> That's great - https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1UkZ - that's how new tags
> get established in OSM.  Of the people voting one person (not me) has
> objected to the tag on philosophical grounds, based on what should and
> what should not be in OSM, and one person (me) thinks that "voting"
> for this sort of very low-use tag introduces a level of bureaucracy
> that is unhelpful to OSM as an ongoing project.
+1!
> Of course, it makes total sense to discuss your suggested new tag (as
> you did at
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/rfc-proposal-of-tag-virtual-tour-url/120965
> ).  Different people have different views about how much discussion
> and how much "tag approval" bureaucracy there should be; that's
> absolutely fine.  It doesn't mean that some people are "wrong" if they
> disagree with you (or me) about some things; I've been wrong about
> plenty of things in the past and I'm sure you have too.
+1
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
finally - my opinion: invalidating an "oppose" - vote is unnecessary


Sebastian

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