[Tagging] bicycle:lanes vs cycleway:lanes and for which access values was "access:lanes" designed in mind

[Paul Johnson]

I'm not sure I see the point of cycleway:lanes.  Bicycle lanes are lanes
and should be included with the rest of the lane tagging orthogonally.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 6:11 AM Manuel.Binias at t-online.de <
Manuel.Binias at t-online.de> wrote:

> This came up because when I documented "cycleway:lanes"[1], I initially
> wrote that bicycle:lanes is an alternative (which for me, it is) but a user
> complained that it's "cycleway:lanes" which denotes this and I've decided
> to remove this after a while after some back and forth.
>
> The reason why I see "bicycle:lanes" as an alternative to "cycleway:lanes"
> is that "cycleway=lane" is an artifact when per-lane access wasn't invented
> back in the day (akin to how "cycleway=opposite" became obsolete by
> "oneway:bicycle=no" for one-way traffic, my proposal to deprecate
> "busway=lane" because of the overlap with "bus:lanes" and I also consider
> "cycleway=share_busway" to also be deprecated) and most likely never would
> have existed had bicycle:lanes been invented first.
> Case in point, I don't see any purpose in using "cycleway:lanes" at all
> when "bicycle:lanes" exist and use at most "cycleway:<side>" to satisfy QA
> like SC.
> (I know that bicycle lanes was brought up during the proposal but given my
> stance on "busway=lane", I would actually advise against "cycleway:lanes"
> if I were an active OSM user during the proposal.)
>
> The problem is that the opposite party mentioned about potential
> customer-only bicycle lanes and that the only way to be sure is with
> "cycleway:lanes". I countered this with two problems: What about
> motorcycles (since there is no widespread "motorcycleway" tag) and are tags
> like "customer" and "private" even defined for "access:lanes" (which IMO
> should gets its own page instead of redirecting to "access")? The idea with
> the latter is that ":lanes" never went in depth with the "access" key and
> although "access:lanes"-exclusive values were invented, they were after
> "*:lanes" was defined.
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway:lanes
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