[Tagging] place=neighbourhood vs landuse=residential

[Dave F]

The place tag (of any variety) is used to describe the name of that place.

A place can contain multiple different areas of landuse - retail, 
commercial, industrial, schools, parks etc.
Your claim "a neighborhood is a subclass of residential landuse that has 
a name." is incorrect.

To restrict the naming of places to just residential areas is wrong.
To use landuse=residential area to map, say, a neighbourhood, which 
encapsulates the landuses mentioned above, is wrong.
It should be used just to map where people live. They don't live in 
schools & parks.

In Britain I've been removing names from residential areas where they're 
the same as place tags (villages & towns).

DaveF

On 07/05/2025 16:35, Evan Carroll wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 10:16 AM Illia Marchenko 
> <illiamarchenko92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Strictly speaking, "land use" and "named places" is orthogonal
>     entities. Don't mix them. Just use node with place=* and name=*
>     and area with landuse=* but without any name=*.
>
>
> You're never going to get people to stop using "landuse=residential; 
> name=x". In fact, that would be a horrible move. People want to know 
> where the borders are when known, not just an arbitrary location which 
> could either be the centroid or just the "heart" of the area. Not to 
> mention this is the same treatment we use elsewhere: when you want to 
> label a shopping center, we use `landuse=retail; name=Shopping Center 
> Name`. In the case of a named retail landuse, there is no designated 
> `place=shopping_center; name=foo`. But rather than finding an example 
> that substantiates my proposal (which I can think of many), in what 
> other applications of OSM do we create duplicate ways for 
> "orthogonal concepts" that are semantically the same in the real world?
>
> Not to grant your foundation though I don't get why you would say 
> they're "orthogonal entities." I'd like to see that explained. I don't 
> see it: a neighborhood is a subclass of residential landuse that has a 
> name. This is documented and in alignment with the wiki and common 
> use. OSM gets this right. Given the following,
>
> * "this is residential landuse which *may* have a name"
> * "this is a subclass of residential landuse that *must* have a name."
>
> They seem *NOT* to be orthogonal entities to me. This seems to be a 
> unique case in OSM.
>
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