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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29. nov. 2013 09:15, Martin Vonwald
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi!<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/28 Egil Hjelmeland <span
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                  href="mailto:privat@egil-hjelmeland.no"
                  target="_blank">privat@egil-hjelmeland.no</a>></span><br>
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                rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I still do not think
                man_made=surveillance is perfect. But I do not have huge
                problems with it as long as it is documented.<br>
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              <div>If something is properly documented in OSM it is a
                near to perfection as it will ever get ;-)<br>
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                I also think that surveillance does make sense in this
                context.<br>
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                But if I kindly refer you to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurveillance"
                  target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurveillance</a>
                , you will see that it talk about Big Brother, not about
                webcams. It does not even define how to link to a image
                on internet.</blockquote>
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              <div>Have a look at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:Surveillance">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:Surveillance</a><br>
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              <div>man_made=surveillance<br>
                surveillance=webcam<br>
                contact:webcam=<url><br>
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              <div>Seems fine to me.<br>
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                rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> So when only a few
                hundred webcams displaying landscape are mapped in the
                world, I would say there is a real problem that people
                do not know how to map them.<br>
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              <div>Or that not a lot are interested in tagging them.
                Everyone has different interests - I don't think I would
                ever map a webcam. But I do map fire hydrants...
                sometimes ;-) <br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">Best regards,<br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">Martin<br>
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      <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
Tagging mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a>
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    OK, webcam is surveillance then. <br>
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    I am not sure about surveillance=webcam, current values are
    indoor|outdoor|public, which I think is orthogonal to being a
    webcam. <br>
    <br>
    contact:webcam=<url> is fine, that tell we have a webcam. Do
    we really need anything more to tell its a webcam?<br>
    <br>
    Taginfo lists 171 contact:webcam , only 53 url:webcam, so
    contact:webcam has a lead.<br>
    <br>
    surveillance:zone=weather|traffic|scenic as mentioned elsewhere in
    the thread seem to me like a good idea. <br>
    <br>
    Should it be allowed with a list of surveillance:zone values,  like
    surveillance:zone=scenic;town or surveillance:zone=scenic;snow ?<br>
    <br>
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    So my revised suggestion to tag a webcam public on internet is<br>
    <br>
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    man_made=surveillance<br>
    surveillance=
    indoor|outdoor|public *<br>
    surveillance:type=camera *<br>
    surveillance:zone=weather|traffic|scenic *<br>
    <br>
    contact:webcam=<url><br>
    <br>
    name=*<br>
    operator=*<br>
    description=*<br>
    camera:direction= compass degrees *<br>
    camera:angle
    = horizontal angle of view  *<br>
    <br>
    * means optional <br>
    <br>
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    In order to handle the <a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extended_tags_for_Key:Surveillance#more_than_one_camera_mouted_on_a_pole">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extended_tags_for_Key:Surveillance#more_than_one_camera_mouted_on_a_pole</a>
    case I <br>
    suggest make each camera as a relation, the only member is the
    location node.
    The location node could be a man_made=mast.<br>
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    The relation could be tagged as type=surveillance, in combination
    with the tags mentioned above.<br>
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    -- Egil<br>
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