<div dir="ltr"><div><span lang="en-us">"2. the cases where</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> the bike lane is in the</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> middle</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> of the road is limited" - bicycle lane in <br>the middle is standard before advanced stop line (to be on the left side of right-turn) - <br></span></div><span lang="en-us">at least in Poland<br></span><div><span lang="en-us"><br>"</span><span lang="en-us"><span lang="en-us">3.</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> “</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">c</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">ycleway=</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">track</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">”</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> would look funny using that scheme</span>" - cycleway=track is anyway<br></span></div><div><span lang="en-us">not compatible with detailed tagging<br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-01 14:18 GMT+01:00 Hubert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sg.forum@gmx.de" target="_blank">sg.forum@gmx.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>






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<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">Sure,</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> but</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> I</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> think it is best to do that in addition and not instead of</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> “</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">cycleway=*</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">“</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> tagging. For one it takes more effort, 2. the cases where</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> the bike lane is in the</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> middle</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> of the road is limited. (not counting parking lanes). 3.</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> “</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">c</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">ycleway=</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">track</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">”</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> would look funny using that scheme.</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> Also</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> adding more data about the lane is</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> imo</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> easier with a namespace</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> based tagging scheme</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> of</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> “</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">cycleway:*=*</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">.</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p><div><div class="h5">

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">On Sa, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:30 AM,</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> Paul Johnson</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <</span><span lang="de"></span><a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org" target="_blank"><span lang="de"><u></u></span><u><span lang="en-us"><font color="#0000FF">baloo@ursamundi.org</font></span></u><span lang="de"></span></a><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">> wrote:</span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">Can we move towards using the lanes tagging used for every other mode already?  It's much more precise and can deal with situations like where the bike lane is not the extreme left/right lane.</span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-us">On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Hubert <</span><span lang="de"></span><a href="mailto:sg.forum@gmx.de" target="_blank"><span lang="de"><u></u></span><u><span lang="en-us"><font color="#0000FF">sg.forum@gmx.de</font></span></u><span lang="de"></span></a><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us">> wrote:</span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">Hallo,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">since a new main value for</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">UK:advisary cyclelane, DE:Schutzstreifen, A:Mehrzweckstreifen, NL:fietsstrook met onderbroken streep, F:bande cyclable conseillée et réservée, CZ:cyklistický jízdní pruh didn’t get approved,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">I’m thinking of</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">introducing a</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">sub key for that. (Like many of you</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">already</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">suggested.)</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">As a start</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">I’m thinking of</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“cycleway=lane + lane=soft_lane” for that purpose.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">However just a key for that one occasion</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">doesn’t seem logical, so a set of keys defining different types of</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“on lane”/”on road surface” cycle</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">infrastructure should be developed, to keep</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">the tagging consistent</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">or</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">to</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">create a structured</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">concept.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">In order to do that,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">I’m thinking of introducing</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“lane=strict_lane,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">soft_lane,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">suggestive_lane” for lane like cycle ways where bicycles are</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">‘encouraged’</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">to stay on one side of the road</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">and</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“shared_lane=sharrows,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">pictogram,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">busway” for roads/lanes where bicyclists are not</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">separated from other traffic.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">The in my opinion the main problems in that</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">idea</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">are</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">the use of</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“lane=suggestive_lane” and</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“shared_lane=</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">busway.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">“lane=suggestive_lane”</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">because it is in contrast of</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">the</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">current tagging as</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“cycleway=shared_lane” in the</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">Netherlands. At least as far as</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">I can</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">remember. I’m</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">also</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">not sure</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">whether</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“smurf</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">lanes”</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">in the UK are tagged as</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“cycleway=shared_lane”.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> </span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> </span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">“shared_lane=</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">busway” since this is currently tagged as</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“cycleway=share_</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">busway”. I think that in favor of structure,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“shared_lane=</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">busway”</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">should be</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">allowed. However,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">I haven’t made up my mind</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">about that</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">yet, or whether</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“cycleway=share_</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">busway” should be</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">deprecated or just be discouraged.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">This would leave</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“cycleway=track,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">lane,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">shared_lane, opposite_track, opposite_lane,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">opposite” as the main values,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“lane=strict_lane,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">soft_lane,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">suggestive_lane” and</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“shared_lane=sharrows,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">pictogram,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">busway”.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">Not part of the sub key</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">discussion:</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">As an</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">addition</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">one could say that a</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“cycleway=track” is also a lane like cycle infrastructure,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">which would make it a</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“lane=track” sub key.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> </span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">Also any</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">“cycleway=opposite(_*)” could be represented by, for example,</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> </span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">“highway=* +</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> </span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">oneway=yes +</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> </span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">oneway:bicycle=no +</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">cycleway=right/left/both</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">cycleway:right/left</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">=lane +</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> </span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">cycleway:right/left:oneway=</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">yes/-1”</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">(assuming right hand traffic)</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">What are your</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">thoughts on this tagging scheme?</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> </span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">I’m sorry, if this</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">is</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">a bit confusing.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">It’s late but I just couldn’t wait writing.</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"> </span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">Best regard</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

<p dir="LTR"><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"><font color="#888888" face="Calibri">Hubert</font></span><span lang="de"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>

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