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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01-Nov-16 12:14 PM, wille wrote:<br>
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            <div>Martin,<br>
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            I saw the reference to service=dealer;repair;tyres;parts in
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          Dave, I fully agree with your opinion.<br>
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          Wille<span class="gmail-im"></span><br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">2016-10-31 22:36 GMT-02:00
                    Dave Swarthout <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      <div dir="ltr">Regardless of whether the
                        service tag is "overused for highways", whatever
                        that means, it is still a tag with a clear
                        meaning and some historical usage. There
                        currently are about 10K uses of
                        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="service:bicycle:xx">service:bicycle:xx</a> in Taginfo (xx=:repairs,
                        :retail, and :pump) so it makes sense to expand
                        this scheme.
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                        <div>The tag "sells" is in very limited use at
                          the moment. </div>
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    There is also the unfortunate use of the 'sale' tag .. over 1,000
    uses ..<br>
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                        <div>We had a discussion concerning "sells" on
                          this list a while ago IIRC and it was dealing
                          with supermarkets and what they sell, e.g.,
                          sells=eggs, sells=toiletries, etc. Someone was
                          proposing that OSM could include the entire
                          inventory of such shops, which is IMO clearly
                          beyond the scope of our present database
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    I think started it. I was not interested in supermarkets. I was
    interested in detail what a particular shop sold, in particular
    smaller shops. For instance a motorcycle shop is usually a
    particular brand, say Harley Davidson, someone getting something for
    their Yamaha would be best not using OSM to find it. Then you get to
    multiple brand shops, and one specialising within those brands and
    so on. Others raised supermarkets ... not me. I simply wanted a
    scheme applicable;e to all shops.. so that separate schemes would
    not spring up different for each shop type. <br>
    There will never be a way of stopping someone entering stuff into
    OSM that another will consider 'beyond the scope'. <br>
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                          <div>As for the question posed by Martin
                            regarding a shop=car with a tag of
                            service=parts, "What does it mean if a
                            shop=car has service=parts attached? Is it
                            selling car parts?" Yes, it means that a car
                            shop selling cars _also_ sells car parts.
                            The Wiki says that if a shop sells only
                            parts, to use the shop=car_parts tag.<br>
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                            <div>I don't think this present discussion
                              needs to apply to _all_ shops, as Warin
                              suggests, but only to the particular top
                              level tags of shop=car, shop_bicycle, and
                              shop=motorcycle for which some sort of
                              expanded tagging scheme regarding the
                              services they offer would be very welcome.<br>
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                              I'm not against the "sells" tag but I
                              can't find anything about it in the Wiki
                              and the most used tag in Taginfo is
                              sells:tobacco with 16 instances. All the
                              rest have only one instance. So, how
                              should we proceed?</div>
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    Nothing in the wiki about sale either .<br>
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    I don't see why a scheme cannot be done that would be suitable for
    all kinds of shops. <br>
    Not that I personally would apply it to all kinds .. but it should
    be applicable to the vast majority, and given OSM usage cannot be
    limited to a single or a limited number of shops. <br>
    Different schemes for each shop type is a waste everyone's of time.
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    For instance;<br>
    motorcycle page
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle</a> for sells
    spare parts <span style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:parts&action=edit&redlink=1"
        class="new" title="Key:parts (page does not exist)">parts</a>=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/.</span><br>
    car <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar</a> for sells
    spare parts <span style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap"><a
        href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service"
        title="Key:service">service</a>=parts<br>
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      Nothing for spare parts in computer nor electronic shops .. they
      will probably develop there own unique scheme. Madness. <br>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 1,
                                  2016 at 5:35 AM, Warin <span
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                                          01-Nov-16 09:13 AM, Martin
                                          Koppenhoefer wrote:<br>
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                                            sent from a phone</div>
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                                            Il giorno 31 ott 2016, alle
                                            ore 22:01, Warin <<a
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                                            ha scritto:<br>
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                                            <div>The same 'pattern'
                                              should be used for all
                                              shops. <br>
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                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                              where things could be
                                              shoe, cloths, etc</div>
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                                          <div>like <a
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                                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="gmail-m_-4398966368160614167m_8485096777860258573m_2757902076229642565m_8754604170728382985moz-txt-link-freetext">service:harddrives=yes;dealer;<wbr>defragmentation</a>?</div>
                                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="gmail-m_-4398966368160614167m_8485096777860258573m_2757902076229642565m_8754604170728382985moz-txt-link-freetext">service:shoes=high_heels;sanda<wbr>ls;flip_flops;sneakers</a>?
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                                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                          <div>Why "service"?</div>
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                                      </span> Service .. in this
                                      instance I would take it as a
                                      physical activity that may include
                                      replacement of parts such as ;<br>
                                      maintenance (e.g. regular service
                                      of a car - oil change etc) <br>
                                      repair (e.g. replacing a zipper on
                                      a jacket)<br>
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                                      Parts .. I would see as a sells
                                      thing ... <br>
                                      Most English speakers would never
                                      consider 'wine bottle service' ,
                                      that is a selling activity (unless
                                      your a glass blower reforming a
                                      broken bottle). <br>
                                      Again this should be common for
                                      all shops, and I believe I have
                                      had this discussion on 'sells'
                                      here .. only to have it rejected
                                      as 'not for OSM' and 'hard to
                                      maintain' etc. <br>
                                      Mappers are tagging this
                                      information into the data base ..
                                      in any fashion .. and that leads
                                      to a mess. <br>
                                      If this tagging group wants to
                                      provide guidance on sensible
                                      tagging then suggest better
                                      methods! <br>
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                                        <div>Cheers,</div>
                                        <div>Martin </div>
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