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        <div dir="ltr">On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 11:05, Michael Brandtner
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                      <div>I'd like to separate the discussions about<i>
                          amenity=power_supply</i> (my proposal) and the
                        enhancement/merging of the <i>socket:</i> and <i>power_supply</i>
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          <div>It would make things simpler.  Simple enough that some
            people would reject your proposal as</div>
          <div>incomplete.  Others would prefer the split and reject a
            proposal that tried to handle both</div>
          <div>topics at once.</div>
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                      <div>On topic: I think it is important that
                        information can be added by looking at the
                        device. This means that in my opinion <i>socket:cee_blue=
                        </i>and<i> socket:cee_red= </i>should be valid
                        tags. The amperes, if known, could be added with
                        socket:[type]:current= like suggested in the
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          <div>But socket=* is defined for use with
            amenity=charging_station.  That can be changed, but would</div>
          <div>probably require a proposal and a vote.  Maybe not,
            because from what little I've seen on the</div>
          <div>subject, electric cars often have cables that allow them
            to be hooked up to domestic power</div>
          <div>feeds and maybe even camp site hook-ups.  Socket=*
            already defines BS1363 sockets (UK</div>
          <div>domestic power) so adding others may be OK without
            requiring proposals and votes.<br>
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          <div>Even so, I'm not happy with socket=* because "socket" is
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          <div>to either female contacts (regardless of whether the
            connector is fixed or free) or a fixed</div>
          <div>connector (regardless of whether the contacts are male or
            female).  For those of the "free</div>
          <div>connector is a plug" persuasion, enjoy </div>
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          <div>The connector for a car charging station (or an
            amenity=power_supply), even if fixed, could</div>
          <div>have shrouded male contacts.  It would be better to use
            connector=* than socket=* and</div>
          <div>encourage migration.  </div>
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    Connectors too are not necessary fixed. <br>
    When mapped in OSM they are fixed by the location given. So I see no
    problem with OSM defining the socket/connector as being in a fixed
    location. <br>
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          <div>Except, of course, there are other ways of transmitting
            power, so</div>
          <div>electrical_connector=*, with electrical_connector:type,
            and all the other socket:type migrated,</div>
          <div>plus electrical_connector:contact=male|female.  All of
            which is too sensible to ever happen. :)</div>
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    Currents: Installations here do not use connectors that have a
    higher current capacity than the circuit can supply. <br>
    I think that is in the AS wiring rules, and those are legal
    requirements. <br>
    This helps to stop circuits being overloaded. <br>
    While this may not be the case in  some places, so OSM will need to
    allow for it. <br>
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