<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Dear All,</span><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">A comment by </span><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Andy Mabbett</a> was ma<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">de that it would be cleaner and less confusing to have a simpler main tag. I think he is right. </span></div><div><br></div><div>I know we just started voting, but given this suggestion which I prefer to the one we are voting on currently, I have put the proposal back to the RFC stage for another week.   <br></div><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Andy suggests :</span></div><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">"drinking_water:refill=yes" and </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">"drinking_water:refill_scheme=[scheme-name]"</span>  </div><div><br></div><div>As long as two of the options for "scheme-name" can be "multiple" or "yes", this alternative two tagging method seems more KISS than the one being currently voted on-</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Stuart </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 14:57, European Water Project <<a href="mailto:europeanwaterproject@gmail.com">europeanwaterproject@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello Martin,<div><br></div><div>A refill scheme is a cafe, bar, restaurant, club, hotel participating in one of the many refill schemes where they agree to fill up anybody's water bottle for free without any requirement to consume on the premises.    Self serve is not a requirement. 

A sticker or sign must be shown for an establishment to be tagged as part of the refill scheme and just because a barman fills up your bottle, one shouldn't tag a bar as part of a refill scheme. Nor should an establishment be tagged as part of a refill scheme if you need to fill your bottle up in the bathroom. </div><div><br></div><div>  There are  more small ones in the US and in specific European cities, like Lucerne, Lausanne, and Berkeley. European Water Project will be contributing to the creation of a 100% open data collaborative database of establishments participating in the refill revolution. </div><div><br></div><div>best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Stuart </div><div><br></div><div>Here is a list of some of the participating schemes globally.  <br></div><div><br></div><div><ul style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;list-style-position:initial;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Libre Franklin","Helvetica Neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Australia – <a href="http://choosetap.com.au/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">ChooseTap</a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Bulgaria – <a href="http://zerowastesofia.com/watermap/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Zero Waste Sofia</a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Cambodia – <a href="https://refillasia.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Refill Asia</a> / <a href="https://refillmybottle.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">RefillMyBottle</a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Canada – <a href="http://www.bluew.org/" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">BlueW.org</a>; <a href="https://findtap.com/" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Tap</a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Chile – <a href="https://refill.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Refill</a> (Santiago de Chile only)</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Europe (public fountains) – <a href="https://de.mapy.cz/zakladni?x=14.6255315&y=49.6750759&z=8&q=pitn%C3%A1%20voda&cat=1" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Mapy.cz</a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">France – <a href="https://refill.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Refill</a> / <a href="https://www.eutouring.com/map_drinking_water_fountains_paris.html" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">EU Touring </a>(Paris only)</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Germany – <a href="https://refill-deutschland.de/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Refill Deutschland</a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Greece –<a href="https://refill.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Refill</a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Hongkong – <a href="https://waterforfree.org/en/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Water for Free</a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">India – <a href="https://www.bluhop.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">BluHop </a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Indonesia – <a href="https://refillasia.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:1rem" target="_blank">Refill Asia</a><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-size:1rem"> / </span><a href="https://refillmybottle.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:1rem" target="_blank">RefillMyBottle</a></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">Ireland – <a href="https://www.refill.ie/tap-map?fbclid=IwAR0LSSvAXeohvU44mxfoEXVcTRMCT207hu3cHaFPHsruT7kQqBTSY3oN1x4" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transpar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iv><div>Thank you for your email, I have added a voting section and put my vote in :)  I appreciate your advice. </div><div><br></div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">We debated for a week before I wrote the RFC proposal and I have received 2 positive thumbs up via email, so I therefore have just extended the voting period.      ..  but of course, I will extend the RFC period if needed if alternatives are proposed. </div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Here is the link to the overal proposal :</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Free_Water" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Free_Water</a>  <br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">And an amended link with a link directly to the voting section :</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Free_Water&veaction=edit&section=10#Voting" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Free_Water&veaction=edit&section=10#Voting</a>  <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you all for your consideration,</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I am not a native speaker and not completely sure about the meaning of the term "refill scheme". Would you say it applies to an icecream parlour (self service, seats and takeaway) that has a water tap at a pillar in the middle of the room, publicly accessible for everyone (supposedly while the intention is probably mainly for customers, realistically I would say "permissive")?</div><div><br></div><div>Here's a picture: <a href="https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g187791-d1023845-i49797540-Palazzo_del_Freddo_Giovanni_Fassi-Rome_Lazio.html" target="_blank">https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g187791-d1023845-i49797540-Palazzo_del_Freddo_Giovanni_Fassi-Rome_Lazio.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Martin<br></div><div><br></div></div>
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