[Talk-asia] Thailand and Vietnam Missing Roads Project

[Stephan Knauss]

Hello Courtney,

On 02.09.2021 17:11, OSM wrote:
>
> We have added Thailand- and Vietnam-based challenges to our global 
> Missing Roads Project.
>
> We have included the link to the specific OSM guidance on Thailand and 
> Vietnam Tagging Guidelines in the MapRoulette challenge description 
> where relevant:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Thailand#Highway_classification 
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FVietnam_Tagging_Guidelines&data=04%7C01%7Ccourtney.williamson%40tomtom.com%7C32189c95d89348d5af7408d96d561b3b%7C374f80267b544a3ab87d328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C637661038910827618%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=kZy6OUC6NP7cXxTgCiE3JzfK5tSijs3Pf2Tkbi7p7OQ%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vietnam_Tagging_Guidelines 
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FVietnam_Tagging_Guidelines&data=04%7C01%7Ccourtney.williamson%40tomtom.com%7C32189c95d89348d5af7408d96d561b3b%7C374f80267b544a3ab87d328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C637661038910827618%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=kZy6OUC6NP7cXxTgCiE3JzfK5tSijs3Pf2Tkbi7p7OQ%3D&reserved=0>
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> Here is the project:
>
> https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/46322 
> <https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/46322>
>
> Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
>

You have not discussed this with the local community. I want to strongly 
point towards the organized editing guidelines and the very prominent 
note at the top of the wiki page:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Thailand


By having a quick look at the map of the findings I have only seen very 
minor roads reported as missing. Without local knowledge it is nearly 
impossible to add a correct tagging to them.

I sampled the area around Chiang Mai, as I live there and I am familiar 
with the area.

This is not overly surprising as Facebook already analyzed Maxar imagery 
and added missing roads. Only unclear tagging is left. As mentioned 
above I do not consider this as a task for remote mappers without local 
knowledge.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Facebook_AI-Assisted_Road_Tracing#Thailand


So I ask you to:

1) remove Thailand from the MapRoulette until you have clarified with 
the local community and came to an agreement that the challenge is fine 
with local community

2) get in touch with the local community to discuss the details on how 
you want to ensure the quality of the edits. I started a thread in the 
forum for you to reply: 
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=73739


I assume that not involving the community was an oversight on your end. 
Looking forward to improve OpenStreetMap data based on the organized 
editing guidelines.


Thank you and happy mapping,

Stephan