[Talk-at] Unpaved cycleways in Austria?

Markus Straub markus.straub.at at gmail.com
Sun May 3 19:10:57 UTC 2015

Hi Roland,

yes, there are unpaved cycelways in Austria that have the official 
signage for cyclepaths (the one for 'pure' cycleways and also those for 
combined foot and cyclepaths: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:segregated). I know some examples 
of mostly touristic paths along rivers, and I recently even stumbled 
upon paths through a forest in Vorarlberg with this signage. Also check 
for surface=gravel,.., I am sure there is more.

Regarding traffic rules: If there is a sign the rules apply: the most 
important ones being that it may be used by pedestrians and cyclists and 
that the accompanying road must not be used by pedestrians and cyclists 
(Radwegbenützungspflicht). I guess the latter does not apply in many 
cases because there just is no accompanying road as in this example: 

In addition to that I am pretty sure that not every path with the 
cycleway signed is tagged as cycleway and vice versa. E.g. all 
"cycleways" on the Danube island in Vienna 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/48.25245/16.38541) are no real 
cycleways - but that's their actual function.

It's complicated, but I hope this helps a bit.

Best regards,

P.S.: what's the URL of your cyclemap? I'm interested in your project!

On 2015-05-03 16:20, Pallai Roland wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm working on a new, detailed web map for cyclists, the coverage has
> been extended to Austria yesterday and I have found something that's
> unusual in Hungary (where I started): unpaved cycleways. See:
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/98p
> Can you tell me are those official cycleways marked with a traffic sign
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:120px-Zeichen_237.svg.png> in
> Austria? Do the same rules apply to those as to the common cycleways in
> the city? Are those designated for cyclists?
> In Hungary we've cycle routes on unpaved roads of course but that's
> never a cycleway, just a cycle route or recommended way for cyclists
> (traffic sign <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:KRESZ-KPU.png>)
> on an unpaved highway, or an unpaved highway suitable for cycling (but
> not designated for cyclists). If you found some with overpass that's
> just incorrect labeling.
> (Please CC me, I'm not on the mailing list. Thanks!)
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