[talk-au] Mapping in Sydney..

[Brendan P]

Hi Ian, Brent, Franc, 80n et al,

I must plead guilty for taging the 'freeway going north out of Sydney' as 
the F3.  Actually, I recently added to the work of others and did a general 
cleanup of the bit I travelled and didn't give a thought to the tags already 
in place.  I guess in the absence of anything helpful appearing on road 
signs, the 'osm name' can remain as F3 for now.

Also a belated thanks for the naming,tagging and shields discussion 
recently.  Unfortunately, I'm a little behind on my emails but I wanted to 
say that standardising on refs is a great idea.

I like what you have done with the Sydney page.  It is a bit of a challenge 
to line up the UK / OSM road standards with our roads. I recently did some 
mapping up on the central coast and got tied up in knots over what was 
primary vs secondary and later thought "gee the Central Coast Highway is 
probably a trunk road".  I'll probably fix all that up later but my attitude 
to this is just to get in in there at this point and not loose sleep if 
someone changes my work later on.

I see already that divided roads that aren't necessary motorway or trunk 
like the Captain Cook bridge approaches, Anzac Parade, Foreshore Road etc 
are rendering correctly as two ways (one way each) as Primary or Secondary 
roads.  I think that is in line with the Australia Roads Tagging page 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Australian_Roads_Tagging) and 
doesn't conflict with the Map Features / Highway Tag usage pages.  So unless 
someone comes up with another way to classify them, I'd just leave it for 
now.

As for what should be tagged as motorways, I think those listed in your 
table are pretty much it for Sydney.  I guess that "A restricted access 
major divided highway, normally with 2 or more running lanes plus emergency 
hard shoulder. Equivalent to the Freeway, Autobahn etc.." doesn't really 
rule out other roads but lets just be dictatorial and jump on anybody that 
adds others! ;)

As for pubs, I can't really add much more than what you've covered already.

Cheers,

Brendanpuck...



>From: Ian Sergeant <isergean at hih.com.au>
>To: b.easton at uws.edu.au
>CC: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
>Subject: Re: [talk-au] Mapping in Sydney..
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:15:37 +1000
>
>b.easton at uws.edu.au wrote:
>
> > Like it or not, the F3/F6 names seem to be officially dead, though
> > still in common usage. The F6 is now only signposted as National
> > Route 1, I'm not sure that is actually named. No F6 signs remain and
> > I have spotted one new sign with it marked as the M1 using the new
> > yellow on green alphanumeric numbering! The Princes Highway is still
> > the road through Helensburgh which is now State Route 60 - I just
> > finished mapping it the other day.
> >
> > The answer is - I'm not sure!
>
>Me neither.  Although note that now at the start of the F6(!) heading south
>at Waterfall it signposts the freeway as "Princes Hwy", and the non-freeway
>route as "Old Princes Hwy".
>
>If you were navigating that route with OSM data as it is currently you may
>get lost.
>
>No doubt in the new alphanumeric numbering scheme it will be "Princes Hwy
>(Fwy?)", "M1".  I think this makes it clear what we should do with the F6.
>
>highway=motorway
>name=Princes Hwy
>ref=NR1
>
>until it officially becomes the M1.
>
>Calling it the M1 now will just confuse people, I think.
>
>But at least it has a name - the M4 - if you believe the road signs - is
>just called "Motorway".  Who thought of that?  Putting Motorway as the name
>into OSM would seem very odd.  Maybe
>
>highway=motorway
>name=M4
>ref=MR4
>
>seems odd also.
>
>The M5 - is called "M5 Motorway" - on the signs.
>
>Still, the M5 could be
>
>highway=motorway
>name=M5
>ref=MR5
>
>I noticed that someone had renamed the M5 East to the F5 the other day.  I
>changed it back, as I have never heard it ever called the F5.  I know what
>they were getting at though - trying to indicate the "free" section of the
>freeway (that is free as in beer).
>
> > For example, I am completely confused as to what to classify the
> > Illawara Highway from Moss Vale to Albion Park.
>
> >  Is it a trunk road because it is National Route 48 with a blank on
> > White shield emblem?
> >  Is it a primary road because it a not very important road?
> >  Is it a secondary road because parts of it is a narrow winding 2 lane
>road?
>
>I wouldn't think it should be a trunk road just because it is a National
>Route.  IMO National Highways should be trunk, but not National Routes -
>some of them will only be "B" roads in the new alphanumeric naming scheme
>(although this one will be the A48, apparently).  It isn't the main route
>from any major centre (Sydney or Wollongong) to the south west.  It is the
>sort of route you would generally avoid if you wanted to get anywhere fast,
>and if I were mapping it I guess I would make it a primary (mainly based on
>the fact it will be the A48).
>
>Ian.
>
>
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