[talk-au] Sourcing street names form existing maps

Franc Carter franc.carter at gmail.com
Mon Nov 26 22:01:03 GMT 2007


Just to clarify Ian's comment about the usage of NSW Library maps,
I (and I assume others) only used maps that were out of copyright
from the NSW Department of Lands - which seems like a fairly
safe path

On 11/27/07, Ian Sergeant <isergean at hih.com.au> wrote:
>
> "Matt White" <mattwhite at iinet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > ... you could probably cherry pick statements either way. Copyright for
> the
> > compilation of data seems to apply to actual lists of data (so
> potentially
> > the index pages of a street map) ...
>
> A list is a list.  A list of names printed over the streets on a map, is
> just as much a list as the black and white index at the beginning.
>
> You can find arguments to support both sides.  This, I guess, is my point.
> It is not settled law, and do we want to use OSM as the vehicle to settle
> it?  Is it fair to the project to do so?
>
> > I'm also looking at gettings some scans of some out of copyright street
> maps
> > from the State Library ...
>
> We have done this in NSW/Sydney and Canberra where the state library and
> national library have the maps online.  Franc and others have done some
> good work naming streets from these sources.
>
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2007-July/000015.html
>
> > I just went back through the copyright council info
> > (http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G090.pdf), and found
> > this paragraph (which obviously doesn't represent outright legal advice,
> but
> > is interesting nevertheless...)
>
> I think there is a little doubt that if I look at an address from a map,
> and use that information, or copy it that it likely not a copyright
> infringement.
>
> Equally, I'm confident that a copying the entirety of a street directory
> list of street names, and using it to pupulate a database with street
> names, so closely resembles the circumstances in Desktop Marketing that it
> would likely be an infringment in Australia.
>
> We have the additional problem that the servers are in the UK, and under
> the copyright and database right provisions in UK law, it would be an
> infringement within the UK jurisdiction.
>
> I think we should get permission, or leave it alone.
>
> "Jim Croft" <jim.croft at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > if you have open in front of you two street directories, and on the
> screen Google Maps or similar,
> > and they all offer the same name for the same street, you have just used
> multiple sources to find
> > and confirm a fact.
>
> But if you do this to populate the OSM database, you have breached the
> terms of use of Google Maps, and likely infringed the copyright of the
> street directory.  The same way that I can look up a telephone number in
> the phone book without fear of prosecution, but Desktop Marketing is an
> insolvent shell of a company now for employing people in a philipines to
> do
> the same thing 100,000 times over..
>
> Ian.
>
>
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Franc
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