[talk-au] ABS [ ODbL data.gov.au permission granted]

El Segundo Can't win el_segundo_cant_win at yahoo.com.au
Tue Dec 6 09:58:45 GMT 2011

For my two cents, I think the 2011 ABS suburb boundaries would be useful if added, for the search function. It's dead right it would be better to be searching against them, rather than in the database, but I'm not too sure how that would be implemented.

However, the ABS boundaries are NOT the same as the official, legal gazetted boundaries that each state maintains. The boundaries differ, and more to the point do not contain the full set of official locality names for the state. There are many, many, low population rural localities not in the ABS dataset. They are simply the boundaries that ABS has built for their own purposes to report data to.

It may well be worth holding out for the states to release the gazetted boundaries, if anyone thinks that's likely.

 From: Ben Kelley <ben.kelley at gmail.com>
To: Steve Bennett <stevagewp at gmail.com> 
Cc: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au at openstreetmap.org> 
Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [talk-au] ABS [ ODbL data.gov.au permission granted]

Given the tools that use this data on a worldwide scale, yes I think it is a compelling use case.
   - Ben Kelley. 
Ben Kelley
On Dec 4, 2011 3:31 PM, "Steve Bennett" <stevagewp at gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Ben Kelley <ben.kelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I definitely want to keep them. I don't think admin boundaries are just a
>> layer.
>> They are needed to enclose ways to tell you the name of the place. I think
>> they are as important as street names.
>> E.g. I search for George St. Which George St? Admin boundaries answer that
>> question.
>That use case isn't a compelling demonstration of the need to store
>the information *in* the database though. Search tools should rightly
>make use of information from different databases (the Australian
>Gazetteer comes to mind).
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