[talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

Steve Coast steve at asklater.com
Wed Jul 6 17:42:52 BST 2011

This is exactly right.

On 7/6/2011 5:35 AM, Chris Barham wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 21:29, Andrew Harvey<andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> <snip>
>> Are you moving to the fosm db? If so, great! Less problems with trying to
>> merge your data into fosm, and we can all get back to mapping. Do you have
>> any concerns over the switch?
> I have concerns.  The FAQ here gives valid reasons to fork an open
> source project:
> http://fossfaq.com/questions/52/what-does-it-mean-to-fork-an-open-source-project
> and the multiple forks of OSM may have ignored the advice to only fork
> "When you have exhausted all other options."
> Forks are not a guaranteed success.  They may have good reasons,
> ideals and differing opinions, but the parent project has a brand, and
> for OSM it's a powerful one.
> As an example everyone has heard of MySQL, but what about Maria?
> Mysql - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysql#Forks_of_MySQL
> Personally I don't care about the licence.  I feel that the forks and
> this resulting dilution of effort will become a drain on all the
> projects (united we stand/divided etc etc), and have become a shouting
> match where the 'political' goals of the forked projects are trumpeted
> over the stated reason for the thing being there - an open map.  Cries
> of "We're more open" don't help when you
> can't rustle up the hosting fees or development volunteers.  So a fork
> must become popular.  More popular than other forks or the parent
> project.  Was this the real reason for your post with mention of FOSM
> (and no other OSM spin-offs), and seeding "fear uncertainty and doubt"
> regarding *possible* data deletion.. you were recruiting?
> I'd like to think all this rather dull licence bickering will play out
> and OSM will continue and strengthen.  It's sad that people with
> agendas are talking up the 'possible' deletion of data, and rushing
> off to fork.  That energy could have been used towards working on ways
> of keeping or replacing the data in OSM.  A satisfactory local example
> where things turned out well is where Nearmap made it's generous offer
> to allow pre-existing data to remain under the new licence.  However
> on this list there was little rejoicing, there was a lot of picking
> over the actual wording of their offer; looking at the legal-eze,
> hairsplitting terminology or imagined loopholes in order to justify
> the fork projects existence.
> Have fun. Cheers,
> Chas
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