[talk-au] "JohnSmith" edits on 19 June 2011

[Mark Pulley]

Quoting David Murn <davey at incanberra.com.au>:
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 09:29 +1000, Mark Pulley wrote:
>> Quoting John Smith <deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com>:
>> > On 20 June 2011 02:11, Richard Weait <richard at weait.com> wrote:
>> >> Please clarify for us the sources of these edits?
>> > What does it matter since I'm never going to agree to the CT...
>>
>> Now you're being rude.
>
> Actually, I would suggest it is Richard who is being rude in this
> situation, or is this a new policy to ask people publically to confirm
> any sources for edits they have made without a source tag (or with a
> source tag that I doubt).

Maybe Richard should have asked him privately first - I was mainly  
responding to John's attitude that it didn't matter.

>> It does matter - if you don't put a comment
>
>> then it could be construed that your edits were copied from other   
>> sources. If
>> you actually did survey it, then why not say so? Also, if you abandon
>> OSM for FOSM, if this data is contaminated, it will also contaminate
>> FOSM (assuming FOSM will be using OSM CC-BY-SA data).
>
> One can only assume that the edits were copied or derived from some
> source, otherwise it would be a creative art and out-of-place for OSM.

Obviously there had to be some sort of source - the question is, what  
is it? Did he go there (quite possible, as I know John does go to that  
part of the country).

> What do you mean 'contaminated'?  It may surprise you to know that some
> data that 'contaminates' OSM with regards to the ODbL, can safely exist
> in current OSM and FOSM with no legal problems.  If this data came from
> a CC-BY-SA source and he hasnt accepted the CTs, then where is the
> problem?

If that is the case, then there is no problem (and I'm not surprised)  
- that's why I included several "if"s in my post.

The possible contamination could be if he copied it from a copyright  
map. I am hoping that he didn't do this, but as his initial response  
to Richard's question was "what does it matter", I thought that needed  
clarification.

> [snip] find the most pressing
> issue is someone not adding a source tag for a single barrier node (plus
> some other minor edits)? [snip]

This wasn't initially raised by me, so I'll let someone else answer this.

> David

Mark P.