[talk-au] Re bicentennial trail.

Adrian adrianplaskitt at hotmail.com
Sun Dec 1 19:41:34 UTC 2013


It is great that you guys are mapping this. I have thought about doing some of this trip. As I recall the only way to get maps previously was to buy them from the trail authorities. Also, I think there are some gates that require keys that are available from the trail authorities where it crosses private land. Is the information on how to get this marked on the map? 
Cheers Adrian. 

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> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 00:47:20 +1100
> From: Steve Bennett <stevagewp at gmail.com>
> To: Ian Sergeant <inas66+osm at gmail.com>
> Cc: Mander Li <mander2li at yahoo.com.au>, "talk-au at openstreetmap.org"
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> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Bicentennial National Trail
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> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Ian Sergeant <inas66+osm at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> It seems the point of the three relations is to identify which parts
>> of the trail are accessible to which categories of users.  How do you
>> intend to encapsulate that info?
>> 
>> What is the basis for splitting the trail into state sections, and
>> putting three relations into another reln?  I don't think relations of
>> relations is well supported, and I can't see the motivation for it
>> here.
>> 
> 
> Hi guys,
>  I noticed the three-way duplication but assumed it was for a different
> reason: so that, say, a hiking map that looks for "route=hiking" relations
> will show the BNT, a mountain bike map that looks for "route=mtb" will also
> show it etc. Unfortunately I think this is basically legitimate: if the
> same route is a hiking, cycling and mountain biking route (and we haven't
> even done horse riding yet) then it probably needs those duplicates.
> 
> (FWIW, that's a bit of an "if" - most of the Victorian section is pretty
> useless for cycling, and not great for unsupported hiking either.)
> 
> Btw you can see both the BNT and AAWT on my map, http://cycletour.org -
> just zoom in a couple of clicks.
> 
> Steve
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> Hi guys,
>  I'm helping organise an open data meetup with VicRoads called "Meet the
> data owners":
> 
> http://www.meetup.com/Datahack-Melbourne/events/152600552/
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> The idea is to help build relationships between data consumers
> (particularly developers) and Victorian government data providers, in this
> case VicRoads. It's not specifically to do with OpenStreetMap, but I
> thought some people on this list might have a lot to contribute to the
> question: what could we do if VicRoads made more of their road and traffic
> data available?
> 
> Anyway, if you're in Melbourne on Wednesday week, please RSVP and come
> along. If it's a success there will be more of these in the future with
> other Vic gov departments and agencies - some spatial, some not.
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> Steve
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> From: Steve Bennett <stevagewp at gmail.com>
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> Hi Jason,
>  Nice work - any response?
> 
> Steve
> 
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> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jason Ward <jasonjward5 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> My apologies if this has already been posted but I've just sent off a
>> request to data.qld.gov.au for explicit permission to incorporate and
>> publish their applicable datasets.  I've provided them a link to the SA
>> Government response to the same permission request so I hope it is just a
>> formality that one of their legal eagles can complete.
>> 
>> SA Link provided to them:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/sa.data.gov.au_explicit_permission
>> 
>> I'm pretty new to OSM and figured I'd better not waste my effort already
>> expended by not having this type of permission supplied.  I know that the
>> whole dataset is CC-BY-3.0 AU so I'm not even sure if my request is
>> required (but I figure there is no harm in seeking it).
>> 
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
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> Hi Team (thanks Steve),
> 
> I called the 13QGOV number earlier this week and got referred to David from
> Transport and Main Roads which is where the online enquiry was manually
> referred to by a customer service rep.  They were working on a TMR
> departmental response and in the online referral the context or information
> that the enquiry was for the whole dataset was lost (To the extent that
> David said the TMR response would cover only that departments dataset(s).
> 
> Thankfully the phone call and my adding that the request was for everything
> in data.qld.gov.au means the TMR guy is including the whole-of-government
> person or entity in their response back to me.
> 
> He said I'd get a written response the next day (I called on Wednesday).
> Nothing back from them yet but I'll call later next week to give them
> plenty of time and if I get the right person that can respond for the whole
> dataset rather than just one department (within the whole dataset) I'll get
> further traction with the request.
> 
> That said, the TMR guy seemed to know and understand the background behind
> the request and when I offered to provide more information on the ODbL side
> of things he said that had already been discovered/addressed.
> 
> I'll keep you in the loop of course and update the Wiki with any outcomes.
> 
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> On 1 December 2013 00:02, Steve Bennett <stevagewp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jason,
>>  Nice work - any response?
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jason Ward <jasonjward5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> My apologies if this has already been posted but I've just sent off a
>>> request to data.qld.gov.au for explicit permission to incorporate and
>>> publish their applicable datasets.  I've provided them a link to the SA
>>> Government response to the same permission request so I hope it is just a
>>> formality that one of their legal eagles can complete.
>>> 
>>> SA Link provided to them:
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/sa.data.gov.au_explicit_permission
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty new to OSM and figured I'd better not waste my effort already
>>> expended by not having this type of permission supplied.  I know that the
>>> whole dataset is CC-BY-3.0 AU so I'm not even sure if my request is
>>> required (but I figure there is no harm in seeking it).
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Jason
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jason
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