[talk-au] Fwd: Re: data.sa.gov.au

Alex Sims alex at softgrow.com
Thu Jul 25 06:18:43 UTC 2013

I've now obtained permission and recorded it at 

This is really very helpful as it allows:
* at least a first pass for filling in "nonames" roads
* geo-referencing  Bing photos against property boundaries at least near 
the CBD
* accurate Local Government and Suburb boundaries as opposed to ABS 
* more bike lanes, playgrounds, fire stations, ambulance stations etc. 
to be included

I followed a similar path to what was used for data.gov.au, and would 
comment that the day to write seeking permission/clarification is today 
as it takes a while, but the outcome is worth it.

Anyway I'm excited and quite pleased, just wish I had more time for mapping.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au
Date: 	Sat, 25 May 2013 21:35:55 +0930
From: 	Alex Sims <alex at softgrow.com>
To: 	talk-au at openstreetmap.org

I'm just writing an email now to seek a similar agreement for 
sa.data.gov.au as for data.gov.au


On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
> The only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe that 
> attribution "reasonable to the medium" is more than the ODbL 
> guarantees which allows "notices in a location ... where users would 
> be likely to look for it" such as a wiki page linked from /copyright 
> or in the case of produced works, a "notice ... reasonably calculated 
> to make [anyone] aware that Content was obtained from the Database" 
> (The "Database" in that quote would be what was provided under CC BY).
> Some cities releasing data as CC BY insisted that only mention on any 
> page where the map was viewed was reasonable, which is clearly 
> unreasonable when there can be dozens of sources on one page, or even 
> hundreds.
> *From:*Ian Sergeant [mailto:inas66+osm at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:09 AM
> *To:* Daniel O'Connor
> *Cc:* talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au
> Hi Daniel,
> The first step should be to find out if they are willing to have their 
> data relicenced under our licence?
> CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is likely only 
> seeking attribution (which we do provide) but my understanding is that 
> it is still insufficient for us to use without further permission from 
> the data owner. Pointers to our attribution page have worked in the 
> past in gaining such permission.
> Ian.
> On 24 May 2013 18:58, Daniel O'Connor <daniel.oconnor at gmail.com 
> <mailto:daniel.oconnor at gmail.com>> wrote:
> The SA govt has joined many of the other state/local governments in 
> publishing open data.
> The current implementation is powered by CKAN, and though I haven't 
> seen it yet, appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in 
> some fashion.
> Anyway, the majority of the data sets are CC-A licensed, and in either 
> CSV or Shapefile format:
> Some initial things that might be worth importing/using as a 
> reference/looking into:
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries
> and of course:
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations
> Not sure how much overlap with data.gov.au <http://data.gov.au> data 
> sets (assume some).
> Anyone want to have a look around and
> 1) Call out the things you think are missing
> 2) Call out the things you'd want to have imported or manually 
> transcribed into open street map

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