[talk-au] Fwd: Re: data.sa.gov.au

Ben Kelley ben.kelley at gmail.com
Thu Jul 25 06:40:02 UTC 2013


Well done. Thanks for following it up.

  - Ben Kelley
On 25 Jul 2013 16:19, "Alex Sims" <alex at softgrow.com> wrote:

>  I've now obtained permission and recorded it at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#South_Australian_Government_data
>
> This is really very helpful as it allows:
> * at least a first pass for filling in "nonames" roads
> * geo-referencing  Bing photos against property boundaries at least near
> the CBD
> * accurate Local Government and Suburb boundaries as opposed to ABS
> approximations
> * more bike lanes, playgrounds, fire stations, ambulance stations etc. to
> be included
>
> I followed a similar path to what was used for data.gov.au, and would
> comment that the day to write seeking permission/clarification is today as
> it takes a while, but the outcome is worth it.
>
> Anyway I'm excited and quite pleased, just wish I had more time for
> mapping.
>
> Alex
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au  Date:
> Sat, 25 May 2013 21:35:55 +0930  From: Alex Sims <alex at softgrow.com><alex at softgrow.com>  To:
> talk-au at openstreetmap.org
>
> I'm just writing an email now to seek a similar agreement for
> sa.data.gov.au as for data.gov.au
>
> Alex
>
> On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
>
>  The only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe that
> attribution “reasonable to the medium” is more than the ODbL guarantees
> which allows “notices in a location … where users would be likely to look
> for it” such as a wiki page linked from /copyright or in the case of
> produced works, a “notice … reasonably calculated to make [anyone] aware
> that Content was obtained from the Database” (The “Database” in that quote
> would be what was provided under CC BY).****
>
> ** **
>
> Some cities releasing data as CC BY insisted that only mention on any page
> where the map was viewed was reasonable, which is clearly unreasonable when
> there can be dozens of sources on one page, or even hundreds.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Ian Sergeant [mailto:inas66+osm at gmail.com <inas66+osm at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:09 AM
> *To:* Daniel O'Connor
> *Cc:* talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> The first step should be to find out if they are willing to have their
> data relicenced under our licence?
>
> CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is likely only seeking
> attribution (which we do provide) but my understanding is that it is still
> insufficient for us to use without further permission from the data owner.
> Pointers to our attribution page have worked in the past in gaining such
> permission.
>
> Ian.****
>
> On 24 May 2013 18:58, Daniel O'Connor <daniel.oconnor at gmail.com> wrote:***
> *
>
> The SA govt has joined many of the other state/local governments in
> publishing open data. ****
>
> ** **
>
> The current implementation is powered by CKAN, and though I haven't seen
> it yet, appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in some fashion.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Anyway, the majority of the data sets are CC-A licensed, and in either CSV
> or Shapefile format:****
>
> ** **
>
> Some initial things that might be worth importing/using as a
> reference/looking into:****
>
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads****
>
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations****
>
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves****
>
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds****
>
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes****
>
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments****
>
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries****
>
> and of course:****
>
> http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations****
>
> ** **
>
> Not sure how much overlap with data.gov.au data sets (assume some).****
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone want to have a look around and****
>
> 1) Call out the things you think are missing****
>
> 2) Call out the things you'd want to have imported or manually transcribed
> into open street map****
>
>
>
>
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