[talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5

[Li Xia]

"We need to get the vicmap data in a form that will have maximum" - can you
be more specific?

Do you have any experience in merging datasets in josm?

Li.


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Ian Sergeant <inas66+osm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Whatever process we undertake will have large manual elements to
> integrate the datasets and keep them updated.  Even if that is simply
> merging the datasets in josm.
>
> We need to get the vicmap data in a form that will have maximum
> utility to OSM mappers.
>
> Ian.
>
> On 12 October 2013 09:09, Li Xia <me at lixia.co> wrote:
> > Hi Nick,
> >
> > Yes, vicmap data does contain road geometry, names plus many more
> > attributes.
> >
> > Vicmap also produces are raster version from this dataset so that work is
> > already done. I will enquiry about getting access to this. However
> manually
> > tracing and editing is a LOT of work.
> >
> > Does anyone know of a process where a mass import can be done without
> > manually tracing imagery?
> >
> > The dataset is very comprehensive. Here's a quick summary of it's
> features:
> >
> > Release under Creative commons 3.0 license, dataset can be obtained in
> > various formats from http://www.data.vic.gov.au/ The has heaps of
> datasets.
> > I've downloaded most relevant datasets in shp format and combined the
> > datasets into logical structure, download links below. If anyone is
> interest
> > in other features such as forestry reserves, national parks etc, have a
> look
> > and pull the data down from data.vic.
> >
> > Transport shp data documentation
> > Hydro - shp data - documentation
> > Administrative - shp data
> >
> > Li.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:00 PM, <talk-au-request at openstreetmap.org>
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> >>    1. Re: vicmap data licensing (Li)
> >>    2. Re: vicmap data licensing (Nick Hocking)
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:37:31 +1100
> >> From: Li <me at lixia.co>
> >> To: Ben Kelley <ben.kelley at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] vicmap data licensing
> >> Message-ID: <91641499-6FB4-426C-8313-C0D82C305273 at lixia.co>
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> >> Does anyone have experience on importing data? In particular avoiding
> >> duplicates?
> >>
> >> Li.
> >>
> >> > On 10 Oct 2013, at 5:16 pm, Ben Kelley <ben.kelley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi.
> >> >
> >> > I guess the thing to consider is how you would handle a second import
> if
> >> > someone had edited the data in OSM in between.
> >> >
> >> > I think this kind of conflict would be very difficult to resolve. You
> >> > could either plan to do a 1-off import, or maybe include a tag on the
> >> > imported data matching a unique identifier for the same feature in the
> >> > vicmap data. The US Tiger import did something like this.
> >> >
> >> >   - Ben Kelley.
> >> >
> >> >> On 10 Oct 2013 17:12, "Li Xia" <me at lixia.co> wrote:
> >> >> Hi everyone,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm meeting Vicmap and data.gov staff tomorrow to get their
> blessing on
> >> >> importing vicmap data into OSM.
> >> >>
> >> >> Once the licensing is squared away, we can move onto discussing
> >> >> techniques of importing the data. "Snapshot" data in shp format is
> available
> >> >> from data.vic.gov.au. Alternatively a vicmap provides a live feed
> to weekly
> >> >> data diffs directly. Any advice on how to import this data is much
> >> >> appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Li
> >> >>
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> >> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:18:17 +1100
> >> From: Nick Hocking <nick.hocking at gmail.com>
> >> To: talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] vicmap data licensing
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> >> Hi Li
> >>
> >> Does the vicmap[ data include road geometry and road names. If so then a
> >> really usefull thing to do would be to create an imagery layer from this
> >> data that could be used in JOSM.
> >> This is what is done in the USA with each year's TIGER data.
> >>
> >> Then we could use the Bing imagery the vicmap layer and existing data to
> >> fill in all the unnamed streets/roads and include any new ones or ones
> >> that
> >> have not yet been surveyed or traced. It would only be a matter of
> months
> >> and all of Victoria's roads would be completely up to date.
> >>
> >> Curerently, I'm spending hours each day using the TIGER data and Bing
> >> imagery in helping to fix up the horrible original TIGER data but would
> >> love to be helping in fixing up Australia.
> >>
> >> Nick Hocking
> >> Canberra
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