[talk-au] Mapping Gallipoli

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Sun Jan 5 22:45:20 UTC 2014


I've found another map (there must be quite a few of them) with 
reasonable clarity - made after the landing, and looks to be better 
quality. http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/SC02009/ On the website it 
says 'copyright expired' .. I'd take it that means I can use it for OSM 
work. It is a bit blurry at the given website resolution (72 dpi - 
sharpening the jpg works to a degree), so I'll still be requesting 
permission for use of the official history map and mention this map in 
addition for locational detail. If I get permission is there somewhere 
that it should be stored by OSM?

I've asked the Turkish community and not had any negatives (yet - early 
days, only one response so far). I'd expect any violent objections to 
happen quickly.

There are detailed maps (really hand sketches) of the trenches .. but I 
think they are gone with time, so of little use. If those existed I'd 
use 'history battlefield' tags, but for the valleys and ridges I'm 
looking at I am thinking of using natural or landscape taes as appropriate.

I note that valleys and ridges are 'abandoned tags' like the radio 
telescope – they have wiki pages for voting but no acceptance … mutter 
mutter.. I'll be using the accepted official tag 'wadi' for ozie 
'gully'... but I won't use it for valley … As ANZAC day is fairly close 
.. would battlefield tags appear on the current map renderings? If none 
of this will presently appear on the present map renderings that is 
little point in rushing the work as the result may well not appear until 
after ANZAC day 2014. So I'll stick to those things that might appear!

I've noted Micheals' idea of the name:en tag. I think that will work 
well. However some of the places have four names .. as found in 
'Gallipoli Mission" appendix 4. I think I'll try sticking to the names 
that occur on the maps, with Turkish names from that appendix as 

On 3/01/2014 2:08 PM, Michael Collinson wrote:
> Hi Warin,
> First,  wonderful idea,  my grandad fought there with the 2nd AIF and 
> being able to relate dry names in books to actual places is very 
> satisfying ... whether just looking at the map or making an actual visit.
> I think it well worth approaching Australian War Memorial. As 
> OpenStreetMap can be used by commercial entities we cannot use NC 
> licensed data. But as we ourselves are non-commercial and you are 
> trying to do something for common good without reward, you may well 
> get a sympathetic response. In a similar vein, I was able to get 
> permission from the Smithsonian to add volcanos from their global index.
> I also agree that asking the Turkish community shows tact and courtesy 
> and will perpetuate the regard that the fighting men of both sides had 
> for each other. I suggest using name:en so that Turkish names can be 
> used as default.
> Best wishes for 2014 to all Australian mappers,
> Mike
> -------- Original message --------
> From Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com>
> Date: 2014/01/02 21:29 (GMT-05:00)
> To talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> Subject [talk-au] Mapping Gallipoli
> Hi,
> I've taken the trouble of mapping the present memorials (and their 
> associated roads, paths .. in some cases adjacent paths so people 
> don't take the wrong ones) at Gallipoli, Turkey. A few were maped in 
> the south (mainly British, about 4), one road was GPS sourced. I've 
> tried to get them all (OZ, NZ and Turkish mainly), there maybe a few 
> left (at least 2 I think) but I've not found them with bing.
> The Question?
> Should I now map the named ridges, gullies etc that were used by 'us' 
> (and/or named by 'us') in the action? I'd be using info from the 
> official Australian history (avalible as pdfs ... and that has 
> copyright exclusions under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 
> 3.0 Australia (CC BY-NC 3.0 AU) license 
> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/au/>. Oh ... rats ... 
> no it doesn't - on another page  "The Australian War Memorial holds 
> copyright for the text, maps and photographs contained in the Official 
> Histories. Reproduction is allowed for private use only. For 
> commercial reproduction, the permission of the Memorial must be 
> obtained."
> So that is 2 questions .. or 3
>  Should it be mapped?  (I'm looking at chapter 24 page 546/7 if your 
> intrested. link http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/first_world_war/ think 
> you'd want volume 2)
> Would the turks object? I should ask them ..
>  Getting permission from the Australian War Memorial?
> PS ..
> I'm now dowloading the 'Gallipoli Mission'.. I've had the WW1 history 
> for some time .. and yes I've read it ..
> http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/first_world_war/AWMOHWW1/Supplementary/GallipoliMission/ 

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