[talk-au] Mapping Gallipoli

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Sat Jan 11 23:34:06 UTC 2014

For those intrested?

Progress. A sample map - 360kb - 

I think I've got most of the features up, there are some duplicates - in 
different locations! The maps are not consistent so, for example, 'Pine 
Ridge' is plotted in two places. I'll look at that with text 
descriptions and the OSM topographic information to see if I can get a 
resolution of the problem. And I need to check the bing view too.

I've asked for copyright permission from the Aust. War Memorial, see how 
it goes. The main things I want to add now are Turkish names and they 
look to be in their 'Gallipoli Mission' book.

NZ does not look to have an OSM talk group? The last set of data I added 
came from an NZ book (1921 - copyright expired). I'd like to alert them 
to the mapping and the source. Comment - their maps apear better than 
the OZie ones...

On 3/01/2014 2:08 PM, Michael Collinson wrote:
> Hi Warin,
> First,  wonderful idea,  my grandad fought there with the 2nd AIF and 
> being able to relate dry names in books to actual places is very 
> satisfying ... whether just looking at the map or making an actual visit.
> I think it well worth approaching Australian War Memorial. As 
> OpenStreetMap can be used by commercial entities we cannot use NC 
> licensed data. But as we ourselves are non-commercial and you are 
> trying to do something for common good without reward, you may well 
> get a sympathetic response. In a similar vein, I was able to get 
> permission from the Smithsonian to add volcanos from their global index.
> I also agree that asking the Turkish community shows tact and courtesy 
> and will perpetuate the regard that the fighting men of both sides had 
> for each other. I suggest using name:en so that Turkish names can be 
> used as default.
> Best wishes for 2014 to all Australian mappers,
> Mike
> -------- Original message --------
> From Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com>
> Date: 2014/01/02 21:29 (GMT-05:00)
> To talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> Subject [talk-au] Mapping Gallipoli
> Hi,
> I've taken the trouble of mapping the present memorials (and their 
> associated roads, paths .. in some cases adjacent paths so people 
> don't take the wrong ones) at Gallipoli, Turkey. A few were maped in 
> the south (mainly British, about 4), one road was GPS sourced. I've 
> tried to get them all (OZ, NZ and Turkish mainly), there maybe a few 
> left (at least 2 I think) but I've not found them with bing.
> The Question?
> Should I now map the named ridges, gullies etc that were used by 'us' 
> (and/or named by 'us') in the action? I'd be using info from the 
> official Australian history (avalible as pdfs ... and that has 
> copyright exclusions under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 
> 3.0 Australia (CC BY-NC 3.0 AU) license 
> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/au/>. Oh ... rats ... 
> no it doesn't - on another page  "The Australian War Memorial holds 
> copyright for the text, maps and photographs contained in the Official 
> Histories. Reproduction is allowed for private use only. For 
> commercial reproduction, the permission of the Memorial must be 
> obtained."
> So that is 2 questions .. or 3
>  Should it be mapped?  (I'm looking at chapter 24 page 546/7 if your 
> intrested. link http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/first_world_war/ think 
> you'd want volume 2)
> Would the turks object? I should ask them ..
>  Getting permission from the Australian War Memorial?
> PS ..
> I'm now dowloading the 'Gallipoli Mission'.. I've had the WW1 history 
> for some time .. and yes I've read it ..
> http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/first_world_war/AWMOHWW1/Supplementary/GallipoliMission/ 

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