[talk-au] Re campsites

David Bannon dbannon at internode.on.net
Sun May 3 22:23:26 UTC 2015


Yeah, given the weather you guys have had, I'd expect plenty of water
there right now ! Wish we could have some of it ....

On Mon, 2015-05-04 at 05:00 +1000, Adrian Plaskitt wrote:
> Greetings all. I think toilets and  presence of drinking water should be separate pieces of information easily obvious to any user. While all campsites with drinking water will have toilets, the reverse is often not true in NSW. 
> I was at one last weekend - fairly large and popular ( room for 30 or 40 tents and vans), within 2 hours drive from sydney, and it had no water except for unreliable tank water. ( plenty last weekend lol). 
> 
> http://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/Dharug-National-Park/Mill-Creek-campground/camping

Sounds to me like it needs be tagged as -

tourism=camp_site
camp_site=basic
amenity=toilet

The issue here might be the idea that the water there is "unreliable".
I'd use drinking_water:seasonal=yes, seems some 4K uses of that sort of
structure.

My point is that using camp_site=basic does not exclude you from
describing the camp_site using the other existing tags. Again, its a
short cut to assist in finding a possibly suitable site, end users will
quite likely seek additional info beyond camp_site=*.

David 

> This information is of interest to cycle tourists particularly, who need to manage water supplies quite carefully. It is depressing to get to the campsite only to realise you have to cycle another 10ks to get water. So I would suggest the second tier be basic plus toilets without an assumption about water. I do realise cycle tourists are only a small user group and will probably use other more detailed resources though.  
> Cheers Adrian 
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> > On 3 May 2015 at 15:27, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Whatever way it is cut there is a 'responsiblity', and I'd rather see the
> >> 'rules' and have the mapper make the choice from local knowledge rather
> >> than pass it to some remote person who can only judge it from a yes/no
> >> answer.
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> > I'm in also in favour of subjective decisions, when we need a subjective
> > decision, to be made close to the source.
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> > However, there are some tags that simply aim to group objective facts by
> > applying a ruleset to them.  From the description this looks like one of
> > those cases.  I look to see what amenity a campsite has, look up the
> > proposal, and decide on a category to assign it to.  I can choose to list
> > the amenities too if I want.
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> > People might misinterpret the ruleset, and meanwhile, we are losing hard
> > data about the amenities.
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> > Is there supposed to be a subjective step that I'm missing?  That is you
> > look at all the amenity, and make a judgement call on the category?
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