[talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

[Warin]

Hummm
How about looking at it from a data consumers view point?
Who would use boundary level 6  and what for?

A resident/occupier/potential purchaser/developer may want to know who 
is the relevant authority for a particular property ...
A new employee many want confirmation of the boundaries of the authority 
they are working for.
  I suppose you could ask a real estate agent (joke) or look in OSM ...
If you are in one of these 'unincorporated areas' then with Andrew's' 
'rule' you won't get an answer.. not much help.

I would think that the 'rule' is easily expanded to include 
unincorporated areas.
What is/are  the objection/s to this expansion? Other than 'it is not in 
the wiki'.

  On 21-Dec-16 11:35 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> It's pretty simple:
>
> 1. Admin level 6 boundaries are supposed to enclose a "Local 
> Government Authority".
>
> 2. In NSW the only form of "Local Government Authority" are councils 
> incorporated under the Local Government Act.
>
> 3. The areas covered by these councils are "incorporated areas".
>
> 4. The three polygons in the LPI dataset labelled "UNINCORPORATED" 
> represent areas that are not in the "incorporated areas" and therefore 
> have no "Local Government Authority".
>
> 5. You don't put boundaries around things that don't exist.

Unincorporated areas exit.
They form a similar role to 'Local Councils'.
The areas do not overlap, in fact sharing the same ways/part boundaries.
There would be no data conflict in adding these to boundary level 6.

>
> QED.
>
> The SA case is complicated by the existence of the Outback Communities 
> Authority. According to the Office of Local Government it's not included:
>
> http://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/local_govt.
>
> Which is supported by the fact that the name includes the phrase 
> "unincorporated area".
>
> On 2016-12-21 09:15, cleary wrote:
>>
>> I have been adding administrative boundaries in NSW and SA using the
>> Government data for which OSM has been given explicit permission. I am
>> currently working on the "Pastoral Unincorporated Area" in SA and
>> another mapper commented that it was inappropriate. I responded but my
>> response appears not to have satisfied the other mapper.  I then found
>> that the same mapper had deleted the "Unincorporated Area of New South
>> Wales" because it was not administered by a council.
>>
>> Both of these "unincorporated" areas are defined and designated in the
>> respective government datasets, that is (1) South Australian Government
>> Data - Local Government Areas and (2) LPI NSW Administrative Boundaries
>> - Local Government.
>>
>> The issue for the other mapper appears to be the acceptability of the
>> form of governance of these areas. While the majority of local
>> government areas are administered by councils, this model works less
>> well in areas which are sparsely populated. The Pastoral Unincorporated
>> Area in South Australia is administered by a designated authority, the
>> Outback Communities Authority, which is not a council either in name or
>> in the usual sense. I am aware of three other designated local
>> government areas in South Australia that do not have councils - two are
>> administered by the indigenous residents although they appear to have
>> some form of executive committee to make routine decisions. One
>> designated local government area does not appear to have a council and I
>> have not ascertained the form of governance.  In the Unincorporated Area
>> of New South Wales, responsibilities are dispersed and do not rest with
>> any one body, for example roads are managed by the Roads and Maritime
>> Services (state authority) and there are local advisory committees in
>> some isolated communities.
>>
>> The key issue is whether the form of governance in an area should
>> determine whether or not areas should be mapped in OSM. It seems to me
>> to be akin to removing Northern Territory and ACT on the basis that they
>> have different forms of governance and are not proper states!
>>
>> The comments on the Pastoral Unincorporated Area can be viewed at
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44528330#map=12/-34.3720/140.4687
>> The relation for the Pastoral Unincorporated Area is at
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6804541
>> The deleted relation for Unincorporated Area of New South Wales is at
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5892272 and refers to Changeset
>> #44531564
>>
>> Do other members of the OSM community have a view on whether the form of
>> governance should determine what areas are shown on the map and
>> particularly whether local government areas should be included if they
>> are not administered by councils.
>>
>>
>>
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