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Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Fri May 13 09:11:39 UTC 2016

On 5/13/2016 11:36 AM, Warin wrote:
> On 5/6/2016 9:51 AM, Simon Slater wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 May 2016 10:10:35 AM Ian Sergeant wrote:
>>> 1. Any attempt to make something render on sparse parts of the map, is
>>> a rendering issue.  Any renderer is free to pre-process the data based
>>> on a population and remoteness algorithm if they wish.
>>> 2. Personally, I make anything a town if it has services.  If it has a
>>> pub, a take-away, a supermarket, a post-office, and a fuel station,
>>> then it's a town.  I save hamlet for a population grouping without any
>>> services, and a locality for a place where there is essentially no
>>> population clustering.  This is a natural skew towards remoter
>>> destinations becoming towns, because they are service towns for
>>> surrounding areas, rather than necessarily having large populations
>>> themselves.
>> Post offices may be a good guide.  25 years ago there were at least 4 post offices
>> between here (Swan Hill) and Kerang.  Now there is only one at Lake Boga, but
>> all the other post codes are still in place, mail routing through either
>> Kerang or Swan Hill.
> Australia post has;
>  *
>     Post Office (PO) and
>  *
>     Local Post Office (LPO)
> The LPO is usually smaller and within another business ..usually a local convenience store.
> The ABS has this
> http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/2f762f95845417aeca25706c00834efa/1d90c1ef4ac928d5ca2570ec0018e4f7!OpenDocument
> "*Identifying towns*
> In this review *small towns*have been defined as population centres with between 1,000 
> and 19,999 people. Towns might ideally be distinguished from cities 
> and from smaller rural communities according to functional criteria, 
> such as the presence or absence of various educational, medical, 
> recreational and retail services, together perhaps with administrative 
> criteria such as whether or not a city or town council operated from 
> within the town. While such conceptual distinctions might be made, it 
> is difficult to put such definitions into practice. The above 
> population size was therefore considered the most suitable alternative 
> which would generally encompass these criteria."
> I tend to concur with this - simplest to implement and verify. I do 
> note the 'medical' services that ABS have for identifying towns etc, 
> that may be a usefull criteria in addition to number of pubs, petrol 
> stations etc.
I have gotten some 1,400 'towns from the OSM data base .. many of these have no population given, but from those that do;

Penrith		178465
Bunbury		64385
Maitland	61431
Palmerston	46618
Melton		45624
Port Macquarie	41723
Sunbury		33062
Pakenham	32911
Nowra		32556
Albany		30656
Devonport	29051
Goulburn	21484
Busselton	21407
Ocean Grove	16093
Bacchus Marsh	14913
Port Hedland	13772
Torquay		13339
Coolum Beach	13154
Broome		12766
Batemans Bay	12000
Lara		11192
Drysdale	10927

Compare this to the 'cities';
Charters Towers	8,234
Charleville	4,700
Caloundra	3,550
Winton		1,337

Winton and Charleville 'cities' when Broome is not? No .. sorry that makes no sense, even when taking into account 'remoteness' and services.

And the other end of 'towns';

Marble Bar	194
Coral Bay	190
Coorow		176
Guilderton	146
Marvel Loch	98
Popanyinning	87
Betoota		0
Ooldea		0

Ooldea used to have a hermit, he could still be kicking ... the others there were railway workers with homes elsewhere.
Betoota used to have 1, but he died.
I don't think anyone could call these 'towns'! Even on a 'services' scale.

_There is a clear disparity here. _

I hope to get all the 'towns' populations that are missing entered from the ABS census 2011, and then look again at these 'towns'.
I have entered all the 'cities' population data that was missing, so that bit is done.

I am yet to get the villages list, if I do!

As a reminder of what I first proposed
OSM wiki presently has by population 
       __I think for Australia;

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