[talk-au] data.gov.au datasets and PSMA Administrative Boundaries

[Cameron Shorter]

Hi Cleary,
I suggest that the best way to get governments to change licensing 
policy, and get data into Open Street Map is to go to the media.
The problem is that people who understand the problem (OSM mappers) 
don't have political clout, and politicians who have the power don't 
understand the problem, and 99% of voters who put the politicians in 
positions of power don't understand the problem.

So the path forward is to get the problem explained in newspapers.

I'm looping in Anthony Wallace, who writes for Spatial Source.
Anthony a story could go:
* Government has decided it is good for the country to open data
* Government has created licenses to achieve this
* The good test to see if such policy is working is to see if open data 
sources (wikipedia, open street map) are using the data
* Currently this is not the case
* Phone up someone in the government and try and get a quote from them
* Lets now make government accountable

Anthony, this story will be good for spatial source, but you really want 
to see it in mainstream news channels as well. The ABC, The Australian, ...
Are you interested in approaching these news agencies to republish your 
story?

Warm regards, Cameron Shorter

On 23-Mar-17 10:12 AM, cleary wrote:
> A few months ago, I wrote to the Department of Prime Minister and
> Cabinet seeking access to datasets published by data.gov.au including
> the PSMA Administrative Boundaries. The response was that "due to the
> large number of datasets on data.gov.au and, in some instances,
> obligations on the government due to its licensing arrangements with its
> data suppliers, we are unable to amend the licence terms, or provide
> exemptions on an individual basis."
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> Since clarification of OSM's requirements relating to data published
> under the CC BY 4.0 licence, I have written again asking if there is any
> possibility of reconsideration but I am not hopeful that the response
> will be positive. I also requested that the limitations of the CC BY 4.0
> licence be addressed in the context of any future review of Government
> policy regarding community access to public data.
>
> If I receive any helpful response, I will share the information on the
> talk-au list.
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> In regard to Commonwealth Government agencies, the best approach appears
> to be submission of requests to individual agencies - as has been done
> successfully with the Department of the Environment and Energy and with
> GeoScience Australia.
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> In regard to the PSMA boundaries, it appears that the data owners are
> the respective state and territory governments. I think we have access
> to that data in ACT, NSW and SA and it will be necessary to get
> permission from the other state and territory governments for their
> boundaries data. The data owners are listed at
> https://www.psma.com.au/psma-data-copyright-and-disclaimer
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> As far as I can ascertain, in the United States, the US federal
> government policy (adopted also by some but not not yet by all states of
> the US) is that data collected with taxpayers' money is published in the
> public domain without any copyright restrictions. Our government is keen
> to follow the United States in many areas, and I suggest keen Aussie
> mappers may like to send letters or emails to their local members of
> parliament, both federal and also in states where we don't yet have
> access to data, highlighting difficulties with licences such as CC BY
> and commending the American approach to copyright on government data, so
> that public data is truly open.  You can point out that it won't cost
> them money -  and while government would be making a compromise on
> attribution, most users will still choose to attribute the source in
> some way in order to attest to its authenticity and accuracy.  It is
> unlikely to get immediate results but we can tell them now and tell them
> again at election time so that we are planting seeds that may germinate
> when the issue is reviewed at government level.  When politicians come
> door-knocking at election time, tell them about OSM and how concerned
> you are about  the current copyright restrictions on public data. That
> is, of course, if the copyright restrictions on public data bother you
> as much as they vex me.
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