[talk-au] Help with licensing

[Andrew Harvey]

I followed up again with DNRM in QLD both via email and phone.

> The Department’s position has not changed since your previous enquiry.

> Consistent with Queensland Government policy, our data is provided under a CC:BY 4.0 Licence.  The department will not provide the data under an ODbl licence.  It is our belief that a CC:BY licence is sufficient for use of our data and we do not accept that OpenStreetMap cannot use our data under the CC:BY licence.

I tried to get across that they can continue to license their data CC
BY and don't need to license it under the ODbL, we just need that
waiver to have a common understanding around the attribution chain and
the fact that ODbL allows parallel distribution of locked up formats,
to no avail.

So we're still not able to use the DNRM data in OSM.


On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 at 23:06, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
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> There was some movement in QLD right at the end of last year, but I haven't heard back from the contact after an initial exchange. I pinged them yesterday to see if we can do anything more etc.,  but as has been pointed out these things tend to take some time (which  is universally true not just in  Australia).
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> Simon
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> Am 19.01.2018 um 06:38 schrieb Jonathon Rossi:
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> > The Department will not provide the data under an Open Database license. It is our belief that a CC:BY licence is sufficient for use of our data.
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> Am I missing something, I didn't think we were asking anyone to relicense their data under the ODbL, just to accept our understanding of one clause (Section 3(a)(1)) and waive another (Section 2(a)(5)(B)). Are DNRM misunderstanding what we are requesting?
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> The second line of the waiver says:
> > [Entity] waives Section 2(a)(5)(B) of the CC BY 4.0 license as to OpenStreetMap and its users with the understanding that the Open Database License 1.0 requires open access or parallel distribution of OpenStreetMap data.
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> Section 2(a)(5)(B) says:
> > No downstream restrictions. You may not offer or impose any additional or different terms or conditions on, or apply any Effective Technological Measures to, the Licensed Material if doing so restricts exercise of the Licensed Rights by any recipient of the Licensed Material.
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> Aren't we (OSMF) just asking the copyright owner to waive their rights to this clause to allow downstream users of the collective OSM data so that for example it could be put on a Bluray disc. Their data would still be CCBY licensed, and the OSM data would be a mix of ODbL and CCBY licensed data?
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> /cc Simon Poole
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> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 3:19 PM Jonathon Rossi <jono at jonorossi.com> wrote:
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>> I also want to make use of the QLD DCDB and was going to start a new thread on the mailing list about it today to work out how to get out of this stalemate after Andrew Davidson informed me last week.
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>> It appears Andrew Harvey just recently had great luck with Victoria DELWP signing the waiver and on a corporate letterhead. AndrewH was that luck and are there any insights that you could assist us with here that might help us convince QLD DNRM?
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>> Jono
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>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 2:42 PM Andrew Davidson <theswavu at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> It's a known problem with a difference of opinion between the Queensland Government and OSM as to licence compatibility. See this thread for example:
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>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg10883.html
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>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Satuim <95.5.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Hey everyone,
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>>>> I recently asked for permission to use a CC-BY 4.0 dataset but got rejected. The dataset I want to use is fairly important (boundaries for suburbs and counties for QLD).
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>>>> Here is the response I got:
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>>>> The Department will not provide the data under an Open Database license. It is our belief that a CC:BY licence is sufficient for use of our data.
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