[talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Tue Apr 16 01:04:19 UTC 2019

On 15/04/19 18:21, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> Signage is up, platforms are open. In order to have our data ready and 
> useful for customers from day one I've changed the rail related 
> features to no longer in construction and added an opening_date tag so 
> data consumers know if opened yet or not (OpenStreetBrowser uses this 
> tag).
> Master route relation for the line
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9487066
> Then two routes, one for each direction
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8631621
This one passes OSMInspector tests.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9470134

This one failed - unordered gap. I have repaired it.. good enough to be 

Possibly the trains will not change to the other platform at Tallawong 
where they terminate, but for the moment in OSM they do. This will 
become clear when they start operating.

> A lot of the roads around the new stations are still tagged 
> construction, let's try to keep a close eye on them opening up to the 
> public.

If you change the tags from highway=construction, teh tag construction=* 
should be removed .. leaving it there causes confusion.
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 17:46, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Testing has already commenced for a while now, just the other day
>     I saw the metro train come into Chatswood, then leave again. It's
>     hard to justify the tracks themselves being in construction when
>     trains are running... In fact I used this justification to change
>     the lines over, but keen to change over the stations.
>     https://7news.com.au/politics/nsw/sydney-to-unveil-first-line-of-brand-new-metro-network-after-seven-years-of-work-c-42494 says
>     to open within a month.
>     https://twitter.com/kypros1992/status/1113210299551690752 says May
>     5th.
>     With the opening_date key, even if it gets pushed back we can just
>     revise the date. I'm still in the camp that stations and lines can
>     be out of construction even if there are no scheduled services
>     running yet.
>     On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 16:40, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com
>     <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         On 09/04/19 10:13, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>         > I know TfNSW will not be able to confirm, but rumour out
>         there is the
>         > Metro will start operating early May.
>         >
>         > Given this, and that many OSM data consumers rely on offline
>         extracts,
>         > and given it's accepted practice to only mark things as
>         construction
>         > when they span months, I'd like to start migrating the tags
>         for the
>         > Metro over from construction to operational, adding in
>         provisional
>         > opening_date
>         https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date
>         >
>         > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Yes/no?
>         How reliable is this 'rumour'?
>         Possibly the 'rumour' is when testing will commence.. rather than
>         regular customer operations?
>         Report in Aug 2018 said no earlier than 5 th May... so it is
>         possible.
>         There .. having said all that it is now certain to start early
>         May:))
>         Despite that.. I'd not add it until we have official
>         confirmation...
>         don't want to jinx it.

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