[talk-au] Caltex on name-suggestion-index

Sat Jun 1 07:25:13 UTC 2019

There is http://osmlab.github.io/name-suggestion-index/brands/index.html <http://osmlab.github.io/name-suggestion-index/brands/index.html>
intended as readable index of data. Though it is containing only partial extract - 
for example match information seems currently missing, maybe it would be worth 
adding there.
I opened https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/2734 <https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/2734> for this idea.

At this moment I see no way to exclude entries known to be not existing in Australia,
but it should be relatively easy to add this - would it be useful?
I opened https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/2733 <https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/2733> for this idea.

1 Jun 2019, 08:43 by graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>:

> Is there a simple, easy to read (ie not Github code! :-)) list of these preset names?
>
See above! JSON is often described as human-readable, it is more of
programmer-readable but it is not so terrible.

For full data info one can start at
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/tree/master/brands <https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/tree/master/brands>
select first key and later its value.

For given entry, for example
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/master/brands/amenity/fuel.json#L535 <https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/master/brands/amenity/fuel.json#L535>
it has some info:

> "amenity/fuel|Costco Gasoline"
name of the entry

> "countryCodes": ["au", "ca", "mx", "us"],
limited to this countries (Australia, Canada, Mexico, USA) 

> "matchNames": ["costco","costco gas","costco wholesale"],
this names are considered as substandard names for this object type,
may be used by validators, likely to be used by iD validator 

> "nomatch": ["amenity/pharmacy|Costco Pharmacy","shop/wholesale|Costco"],
lists entries with similat names but not actually duplicates (mostly internal use)

> "tags"
Tags that OSM element is expected to have (added by Vespucci/iD on creating it,
iD validator maybe is also using this info)

There is also matchTags that may list ways how that specific entry 
is often mistagged - see for example
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/master/brands/amenity/payment_centre.json#L4 <https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/master/brands/amenity/payment_centre.json#L4>

> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Wed, 29 May 2019 at 22:00, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoniecz at tutanota.com <mailto:matkoniecz at tutanota.com>> > wrote:
>
>> Can you link to an affected OSM object? It sounded like something caused by 
>> name-suggestion-index, but I see no matches in
>> https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/master/brands/amenity/fuel.json <https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/master/brands/amenity/fuel.json>
>> that would cause this.
>>
>> The same for
>> https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/master/brands/shop/convenience.json <https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/master/brands/shop/convenience.json>
>>
>> It also appears to not be caused by recent changes from looking at
>> https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/commits/master/brands/shop/convenience.json <https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/commits/master/brands/shop/convenience.json>
>> and
>> https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/commits/0d944dde401119d3aa767c18b68ee44b112fa4ba/brands/amenity/fuel.json <https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/commits/0d944dde401119d3aa767c18b68ee44b112fa4ba/brands/amenity/fuel.json>
>>
>> -------
>>
>> BTW, I made a small tool that list what name-suggestion-index considers as matches -
>> examples from Manhattan:
>>
>> name=Adidas - proposed change from `shop=clothes` to `shop=sports` >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6187504686 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6187504686>
>>
>>
>> name=Dollar Tree - proposed change from `shop=convenience` to `shop=variety_store` >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5625761131 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5625761131>
>>
>>
>> name=Timberland - proposed change from `shop=shoes` to `shop=clothes` >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2709306607 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2709306607>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> name=FedEx Office - proposed change from `amenity=post_office` to `shop=copyshop` >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5978745700 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5978745700>
>>
>>
>> Such list may be used both to look for some mistakes in a local area and for 
>>
>> mistakes in name-suggestion-index.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If somebody would be interested I can generate it for any location (I need just location, 
>>
>> how large area should be covered and how long list is requested)
>>
>> 29 May 2019, 01:17 by >> osm.lists at chuq.net <mailto:osm.lists at chuq.net>>> :
>>
>>> Thanks Alex and Ian,
>>>
>>> So it seems there are plenty of standard Caltex service stations in Australia - any advice on how to stop entries labelled "Caltex" from auto resolving to a "Woolworths Petrol" location when "update these tags" is used?
>>>
>>> Just changed the "brand" on the second entry in my original post from "Caltex" to "Caltex Woolworths"?
>>>
>>> I could play about of course, but I don't want to break things!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 3:42 PM Ian Sergeant <>>> inas66+osm at gmail.com <mailto:inas66%2Bosm at gmail.com>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Strictly speaking, I don't think that's true.  Some Caltex operated sites still branded as Woolworths Caltex, and offered the Woolworths facilities.  You couldn't tell just by looking who owned what. 
>>>>
>>>> Of course, now Woolworths has sold all its fuel outlets, and doesn't operate as a fuel retailer any longer.
>>>>
>>>> I'd go by the name on the sign - as these are likely to change over the past few months as the Caltex owned stores all revert to form.
>>>>
>>>> Ian.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 14:51, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir <>>>> maxious at gmail.com <mailto:maxious at gmail.com>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:55 PM Charles Gregory <>>>>> osm.lists at chuq.net <mailto:osm.lists at chuq.net>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are "Caltex" and "Caltex Woolworths" identical in some parts of Australia?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> "What is the difference between [the 535] Woolworths Caltex and [the 680] Caltex locations? 
>>>>> Woolworths Caltex is a Woolworths owned fuel location, that sells Caltex fuel. The shop at a Woolworths Caltex is a Woolworths store.  
>>>>> The shop at a Caltex location can be a Star Mart, Star Shop or The Foodary."
>>>>> https://www.caltex.com.au/woolworths <https://www.caltex.com.au/woolworths>>>>>>   
>>>>>
>>>>> The map on their website makes a distinction between the two when you click on it >>>>> https://www.caltex.com.au/find-a-caltex <https://www.caltex.com.au/find-a-caltex>>>>>>  
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