[talk-au] local traffic only

Ian Sergeant inas66+osm at gmail.com
Fri Nov 8 09:02:56 UTC 2019


I agree the meaning of "discouraged" is what we need here.  But motor
vehicles are only discouraged if they aren't local traffic.  Otherwise they
are perfectly fine.

So, I think the motor_vehicle:advisory=destination covers these two
concepts, and is a better representation.

Ian.

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 18:58, Benjamin Ceravolo <bjceravolo1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I feel, as though discourage or discouraged is already an advisory term
> (you can't advise a recommendation if advise is a synonym of recommend).
>
> So I would think "motor_vehicle=discouraged" would be most appropriate.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Ben
>
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 18:12, Luke Stewart <suburbansilvervlogs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps "motor_vehicle=discouraged"?
>>
>> From the wiki:
>> A legal right of way exists (see yes
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dyes>) but usage is
>> officially discouraged (e.g., HGVs on narrow but passable lanes). Only if
>> marked by a traffic sign (subjective otherwise).
>>
>> Although that may be getting too far away from the meaning of the sign,
>> but the original intention is to discourage through and non-local traffic
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 15:31, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access does say "Access
>>> values describe legal permissions/restrictions. What happens on the ground
>>> may be different: for instance, many footpaths are used as de facto bike
>>> paths, without a legal right to do so. (Various 'greyzone' tags have been
>>> proposed to deal with such situations, but this is controversial and is not
>>> described here.)"
>>>
>>> Similar to existing "maxspeed:advisory"
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:advisory perhaps if
>>> these aren't legal restrictions but still signposted on the ground we could
>>> use "motor_vehicle:advisory=destination". Does that work better?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 13:04, Luke Stewart <suburbansilvervlogs at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as I have read, these signs are not enforceable by councils, nor
>>>> do they appear in the NSW (or Australian) Road Rules. So unless the road
>>>> itself is on private property and this sign is present, the access would
>>>> still be public and it has the same meaning as discouraging the use of the
>>>> street in favour of main roads.
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