[talk-au] Are we allowed to use PTV datasets (CC 4.0)?

[Aaron]

Hi,

Just checking up on this. It's been 2 months since I sent the waiver, is it
a normal waiting period, or did I address the wrong person or something? :P

Thanks,
Aaron.

On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 4:39 pm, Sebastian S. <mapping at consebt.de> wrote:

> Hi and also welcome,
> It would be good if you update the wiki once you've sent the waiver
> request off.
> This helps tracking what's going on.
>
> Cheers,
> Seb
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> On 14 September 2019 10:01:34 pm AEST, Aaron Fang Shenhao <
> aaronshenhao2001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you both for the helpful info!
>>
>> I'll get onto sending the waiver letter to PTV. Once it comes back I'll
>> make sure to update the wiki and report back.
>>
>> I've summarised the number of stops and routes in the dataset for anyone
>> who is interested.
>>
>>   Transport Medium   │ No. stops   No. routes
>>  ════════════════════╪════════════════════════
>>   Metropolitan Train │ 222         99
>>   Metropolitan Tram  │ 1673        73
>>   Metropolitan Bus   │ 18241       354
>>   Regional Train     │ 110         206
>>   Regional Bus       │ 6644        356
>>   Regional Coach     │ 859         658
>>   Night Bus          │ 452         22
>>   TeleBus            │ 100         8
>>   Interstate         │ 11          11
>>   SkyBus             │ 5           2
>>
>> For completeness, here's the summary from OSM using the tags railway=station, railway=tram_stop and highway=bus_stop inside the area ISO3166-2=AU-VIC.
>>
>>   Transport Medium │ No. stops   No. routes
>>  ══════════════════╪════════════════════════
>>   Train            │ 442         38
>>   Tram             │ 1570        91
>>   Bus              │ 4793        716
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 23:29, Aaron Fang Shenhao <
>>> aaronshenhao2001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> This is my first time using the mailing list.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I’ve noticed that PTV’s (Public Transport Victoria) datasets (
>>>> https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/footer/data-and-reporting/datasets/) all
>>>> fall under Creative Commons International 4.0, which requires explicit
>>>> permission to be used according to OSM’s blog. I’ve looked at the wiki and
>>>> can’t find any of these specific datasets in the list approved for use.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Graeme pointed to the catalogue on the wiki of waiver status. I missed
>>> PTV when doing the initial round, so feel free to add this to the wiki
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Has anyone asked for permission to use these datasets before? I
>>>> downloaded the GTFS dataset for a programming project, and it seems
>>>> amazing: we could add all the stops and connect all the routes for all
>>>> modes of transport in VIC just from this dataset?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't approached PTV about this, and since it's not listed on the
>>> wiki, I'd say go ahead and put together the waiver letter and send it off.
>>> The metadata records have a contact email you can use. If you do send off a
>>> waiver request please update the status and date you sent it to the wiki
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue, this
>>> really helps the rest of the community see what's going on.
>>>
>>> There'd still be a fair bit of manual work involved in an import to
>>> avoid duplicates and to integrate with what's already in OSM, but with a
>>> solid plan and engaging with this mailing list and local mappers with the
>>> plan and execution, an import could be a good thing to do.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 12:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see there is reference to
>>>> https://www2.delwp.vic.gov.au/maps/spatial-data/victorian-spatial-data#Vicmap_Transport-11 being
>>>> OK but that doesn't appear to be the same thing?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately not, VicMap Transport only has airports, roads and railway
>>> lines. The PTV data has bus stops and a few other datasets.
>>>
>>
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