[talk-au] Uluru naming consistency

[Ewen Hill]

Hi Joachim,
   Thank you for your interest and your detailed proposals and analysis. As
the custodians of the land wish others to only use Uluru however the
official names are Uluru / Ayers Rock since 2002, I believe that your first
proposal covers all bases.








*My preferred proposal for both features:name = Uluṟuname:en =
Uluruname:pjt = Uluṟualt_name = Ayers Rockalt_name:en = Ayers
Rockofficial_name =  Uluru / Ayers Rockofficial_name:en =  Uluru / Ayers
Rock*

On Tue, 29 Oct 2019, 5:40 AM Joachim <noreply at freedom-x.de> wrote:

> Hello Aussies,
>
> the closing of the Uluru Climb gathered international news. So I had a
> look at Uluru and saw some naming inconsistencies which might be
> improved. I found no prior discussion about it and the features in OSM
> have stable naming since 2015, so this seems to be a topic worth a
> look.
>
> OSM has two features (notice the underlined r on some names which is
> native Pitjantjatjara):
> a) The peak (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2251425855)
> name = Uluṟu
> name:en = Uluru (Ayers Rock)
> name:pjt = Uluṟu
> alt_name = Uluru
>
> b) The "bare_rock" (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32639987/)
> name = Uluṟu (Ayers Rock)
> name:en = Uluru (Ayers Rock)
> name:pjt= Uluṟu
>
> Two issues:
> 1. Name is inconsistent between the two
> 2. The Ayers Rock in parenthesis looks more like description than a name
>
> For the following proposals I added the English and Pitjantjatjara
> explicitly because Uluru has some translated names.
> My preferred proposal for both features:
> name = Uluṟu
> name:en = Uluru
> name:pjt = Uluṟu
> alt_name = Ayers Rock
> alt_name:en = Ayers Rock
> official_name =  Uluru / Ayers Rock
> official_name:en =  Uluru / Ayers Rock
>
> Alternative proposal for both:
> name = Uluru / Ayers Rock
> name:en = Uluru / Ayers Rock
> name:pjt = Uluṟu
> alt_name = Uluṟu
> alt_name:pjt = Uluṟu
> alt_name:en = Uluru
> old_name = Ayers Rock
> old_name:en = Ayers Rock
>
> Some points to consider:
> Uluru seems to be generally seen as the preferred name nowadays in
> Australia. I played a bit with Google Trends to see the extent
> (
> https://trends.google.de/trends/explore?date=all&geo=AU&q=ayers%20rock,uluru
> )
> The official name is the dual name Uluru / Ayers Rock
> (http://www.ntlis.nt.gov.au/placenames/view.jsp?id=10532)
> The park is co-operated by Anangu and the Australian Government and
> names it Uluru exclusively
> (https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/about/ayers-rock-or-uluru/)
>
> Best regards Joachim/Jojo4u from Germany
>
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