[talk-au] Are we allowed to use PTV datasets (CC 4.0)?

Aaron Fang Shenhao aaronshenhao2001 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 14 12:01:34 UTC 2019

Thank you both for the helpful info!

I'll get onto sending the waiver letter to PTV. Once it comes back I'll
make sure to update the wiki and report back.

I've summarised the number of stops and routes in the dataset for anyone
who is interested.

  Transport Medium   │ No. stops   No. routes
  Metropolitan Train │ 222         99
  Metropolitan Tram  │ 1673        73
  Metropolitan Bus   │ 18241       354
  Regional Train     │ 110         206
  Regional Bus       │ 6644        356
  Regional Coach     │ 859         658
  Night Bus          │ 452         22
  TeleBus            │ 100         8
  Interstate         │ 11          11
  SkyBus             │ 5           2

For completeness, here's the summary from OSM using the tags
railway=station, railway=tram_stop and highway=bus_stop inside the
area ISO3166-2=AU-VIC.

  Transport Medium │ No. stops   No. routes
  Train            │ 442         38
  Tram             │ 1570        91
  Bus              │ 4793        716

On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>

> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 23:29, Aaron Fang Shenhao <
> aaronshenhao2001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> This is my first time using the mailing list.
> Welcome!
>> I’ve noticed that PTV’s (Public Transport Victoria) datasets (
>> https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/footer/data-and-reporting/datasets/) all fall
>> under Creative Commons International 4.0, which requires explicit
>> permission to be used according to OSM’s blog. I’ve looked at the wiki and
>> can’t find any of these specific datasets in the list approved for use.
> Graeme pointed to the catalogue on the wiki of waiver status. I missed PTV
> when doing the initial round, so feel free to add this to the wiki
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue.
>> Has anyone asked for permission to use these datasets before? I
>> downloaded the GTFS dataset for a programming project, and it seems
>> amazing: we could add all the stops and connect all the routes for all
>> modes of transport in VIC just from this dataset?
> I haven't approached PTV about this, and since it's not listed on the
> wiki, I'd say go ahead and put together the waiver letter and send it off.
> The metadata records have a contact email you can use. If you do send off a
> waiver request please update the status and date you sent it to the wiki
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue, this
> really helps the rest of the community see what's going on.
> There'd still be a fair bit of manual work involved in an import to avoid
> duplicates and to integrate with what's already in OSM, but with a solid
> plan and engaging with this mailing list and local mappers with the plan
> and execution, an import could be a good thing to do.
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 12:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I see there is reference to
>> https://www2.delwp.vic.gov.au/maps/spatial-data/victorian-spatial-data#Vicmap_Transport-11 being
>> OK but that doesn't appear to be the same thing?
> Unfortunately not, VicMap Transport only has airports, roads and railway
> lines. The PTV data has bus stops and a few other datasets.
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