[talk-au] Are we allowed to use PTV datasets (CC 4.0)?

Sebastian S. mapping at consebt.de
Sun Sep 15 06:39:30 UTC 2019


Hi and also welcome,
It would be good if you update the wiki once you've sent the waiver request off.
This helps tracking what's going on.

Cheers,
Seb
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On 14 September 2019 10:01:34 pm AEST, Aaron Fang Shenhao <aaronshenhao2001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>Thank you both for the helpful info!
>
>I'll get onto sending the waiver letter to PTV. Once it comes back I'll
>make sure to update the wiki and report back.
>
>I've summarised the number of stops and routes in the dataset for
>anyone
>who is interested.
>
>  Transport Medium   │ No. stops   No. routes
> ════════════════════╪════════════════════════
>  Metropolitan Train │ 222         99
>  Metropolitan Tram  │ 1673        73
>  Metropolitan Bus   │ 18241       354
>  Regional Train     │ 110         206
>  Regional Bus       │ 6644        356
>  Regional Coach     │ 859         658
>  Night Bus          │ 452         22
>  TeleBus            │ 100         8
>  Interstate         │ 11          11
>  SkyBus             │ 5           2
>
>For completeness, here's the summary from OSM using the tags
>railway=station, railway=tram_stop and highway=bus_stop inside the
>area ISO3166-2=AU-VIC.
>
>  Transport Medium │ No. stops   No. routes
> ══════════════════╪════════════════════════
>  Train            │ 442         38
>  Tram             │ 1570        91
>  Bus              │ 4793        716
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Andrew Harvey
><andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 23:29, Aaron Fang Shenhao <
>> aaronshenhao2001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> This is my first time using the mailing list.
>>>
>>
>> Welcome!
>>
>>
>>> I’ve noticed that PTV’s (Public Transport Victoria) datasets (
>>> https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/footer/data-and-reporting/datasets/) all
>fall
>>> under Creative Commons International 4.0, which requires explicit
>>> permission to be used according to OSM’s blog. I’ve looked at the
>wiki and
>>> can’t find any of these specific datasets in the list approved for
>use.
>>>
>>
>> Graeme pointed to the catalogue on the wiki of waiver status. I
>missed PTV
>> when doing the initial round, so feel free to add this to the wiki
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue.
>>
>>
>>> Has anyone asked for permission to use these datasets before? I
>>> downloaded the GTFS dataset for a programming project, and it seems
>>> amazing: we could add all the stops and connect all the routes for
>all
>>> modes of transport in VIC just from this dataset?
>>>
>>
>> I haven't approached PTV about this, and since it's not listed on the
>> wiki, I'd say go ahead and put together the waiver letter and send it
>off.
>> The metadata records have a contact email you can use. If you do send
>off a
>> waiver request please update the status and date you sent it to the
>wiki
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue, this
>> really helps the rest of the community see what's going on.
>>
>> There'd still be a fair bit of manual work involved in an import to
>avoid
>> duplicates and to integrate with what's already in OSM, but with a
>solid
>> plan and engaging with this mailing list and local mappers with the
>plan
>> and execution, an import could be a good thing to do.
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 12:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick
><graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see there is reference to
>>>
>https://www2.delwp.vic.gov.au/maps/spatial-data/victorian-spatial-data#Vicmap_Transport-11
>being
>>> OK but that doesn't appear to be the same thing?
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately not, VicMap Transport only has airports, roads and
>railway
>> lines. The PTV data has bus stops and a few other datasets.
>>
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