[talk-au] Practicality of mapping high-speed motor-traffic routes as cycle routes

Dongchen Yue yuedongchenyy at gmail.com
Mon Apr 13 09:08:43 UTC 2020

The most noticeable example in Sydney would be the M7 Shared Path (https://www.westlinkm7.com.au/about/shared-path <https://www.westlinkm7.com.au/about/shared-path>), which is a ~40km uninterrupted bi-directional path alongside the M7 Motorway with normally (though obviously not currently) very high usage for recreational cycling. However, although cycling on the motorway shoulders is neither recommended nor common, it’s been mapped on OSM as the cycle route „M7s" (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.83065/150.85767&layers=C <https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.83065/150.85767&layers=C>) along with the „M7 Cycleway“ route.

> Am 13.04.2020 um 6:52 PM schrieb Ewen Hill <ewen.hill at gmail.com>:
> Hi Dongchen,
>    Can you provide a couple of examples please so we can review and discuss them. There may be good reasons (the red carpet Gardiners Creek cycle path in Melbourne hangs under the freeway might appear incorrect but is not). 
>  Ewen
> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 18:20, Dongchen Yue <yuedongchenyy at gmail.com <mailto:yuedongchenyy at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I’ve noticed many motorway shoulders in Australia (especially in Sydney) being mapped as cycle routes on OSM. Although this seems to be a common approach for motorways/other high-speed roads in Australia of which cycling is allowed on, I can hardly imagine it to be of any practical use (i.e. providing convenient and safe connections for people cycling).
> Foremostly, this mapping approach defies the general purpose of cycle routes (both from an engineering perspective and the official OSM Wiki), that is, guiding people onto safe & convenient ways. Although cycling on most motorway shoulders in Australia is technically permitted and commonly done by the very few “strong and fearless” people (only ~1%, as indicated in past transport research), it’s both subjectively and statically quite unsafe, which gives no use to most people when rendered on tiles such as OpenCycleMap.
> Also, these mapped motorway/high-speed road routes aren’t officially endorsed routes whatsoever, and are always referred to as separate pieces of infrastructure (e.g. “… cycleway”) by cycle-lobbying groups.
> Afterall, these “routes” probably shouldn’t be mapped at all, since they aren’t much use to most people; tagging them with ‘cycling’: ‘designated’ and ‘cycleway’: ‘shoulder’ would be sufficient enough. What do you think of this solution?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dongchen Yue
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