[talk-au] Bush Fire Neighbourhood Safer Places

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Sat Jan 4 02:28:38 UTC 2020


On 04/01/20 13:18, adam steer wrote:
> Hi Andrew
>
> In Vic these are only used as a last resort. Not sure if 'assembly 
> point' translates to 'only come here if there are absolutely no other 
> options, and this place might not be safe anyway'.
>
> See: https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/neighbourhood-safer-places
>
> There are also community fire refuges: 
> https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/community-fire-refuges/
>
> ...my reading there is also 'try really hard not to come here, but if 
> there's nothing else then turn up'.

I think generally they want people well away from the fire area, rather 
than close by. Hence the words used.

>
> Could we add a 'place of last resort' tag?

Why? I think the description will tell the story.
>
> Relief centres, eg: 
> https://www.eastgippsland.vic.gov.au/Council/News_and_Media_Releases/Emergency_Relief_Centres
> https://www.wangaratta.vic.gov.au/emergency/relief-and-recovery
>
> ...seem to be council operated...
I think those are places to go for food, clothing not for shelter from 
the fire. So not the same thing.
>
> It seems that 'neighbourhood safer places' means something different 
> across borders. Can anyone in emergency services comment?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020, 11:30 am Andrew Harvey, <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I'm not sure what these are called or look like in other states,
>     but in NSW they look like
>     https://www.flickr.com/photos/136319147@N08/49324333543/ and they
>     are operated by the NSW RFS.
>
>     emergency=assembly_point seems like the best tag to use per the
>     wiki
>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dassembly_point "A
>     designated (safe) place where people can gather or must report to
>     during an emergency or a fire drill Edit or translate this
>     description."
>
>     Also documented on the wiki is
>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:assembly_point:fire which
>     seems fitting.
>
>     I'm proposing these be tagged as
>
>     emergency=assembly_point
>     assembly_point:fire=designated
>     operator=NSW Rural Fire Service
>     operator:wikidata=Q7011777
>
>     could also add description="Bush Fire Neighbourhood Safer Place"
>     or your state's equivalent.
>
>     Any comments? If this sounds good, I'll document this on the
>     Australian Tagging Guidelines for NSW.
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