[talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Duplicate of the same airport

Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) v-nebrac at microsoft.com
Thu Mar 26 07:27:25 UTC 2020


Ok, thank you all for the clarification once again.

I will leave then as is.

Thanks,
Nemanja

Od: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
Poslato: sreda, 25. mart 2020. 22:56
Za: Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) <v-nebrac at microsoft.com>
Cc: Michael James <michael at techdrive.com.au>; OpenStreetMap <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
Tema: [EXTERNAL] Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

No, I would leave it as 2 separate airfields, with the same info against both.

If that causes a problem, then take the codes off the airbase, as strictly speaking, that side of the airfield isn't an air transport destination.

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 22:10, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au at openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
Thank you all for clarification.

Thank you James for more local details.

So by your opinion is it better to have 2 separate airports with duplicated data (such as IATA, ICAO, etc.), or to combine into one polygon.
Taking into consideration Cleary's and Andrew's answer I would leave as is, but since this is isolated case in AU, and some data will be duplicated, I would join two polygons. Don't know what to do. šŸ˜Š

Thank you in advance for the response.

Nemanja

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Od: Michael James <michael at techdrive.com.au<mailto:michael at techdrive.com.au>>
Poslato: sreda, 25. mart 2020. 12:21
Za: OpenStreetMap <talk-au at openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au at openstreetmap.org>>
Tema: [EXTERNAL] Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

It is a military base that allows civilian air traffic to use its runway.

As far as air traffic goes it's called Williamtown, only the civilian terminal area is called Newcastle airport. (28 hectares of land)

https://www.newcastleairport.com.au/corporate/about/board-governance<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newcastleairport.com.au%2Fcorporate%2Fabout%2Fboard-governance&data=02%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C15c4ae38b7c74ed3bc8608d7d107663f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637207702025849697&sdata=W5erkIhOTLoORjk8aILFjO69mjMqib6p1S2FkrKy7C4%3D&reserved=0>

Hope that helps, though no map of that land parcel that they lease for the civilian side.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cleary <osm at 97k.com<mailto:osm at 97k.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 6:29 PM
> To: OpenStreetMap <talk-au at openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au at openstreetmap.org>>
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport
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>
>
> I think the air force base and civilian airport share the same runway
> but they are two distinct entities with separate buildings etc. Same
> applies in some other cities including Canberra. I would defer to
> someone more knowledgeable but I think it remains appropriate to have two separate entities mapped in OSM.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, at 7:06 PM, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > There are two relations in OSM that are referring to the same airport:
> >
> >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Frelation%2F6263052&data=02%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C15c4ae38b7c74ed3bc8608d7d107663f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637207702025849697&sdata=3mc2D3APB2oxY1iah%2BWiDMZqgj2DxBZhqckvabE989c%3D&reserved=0>
> >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Frelation%2F4145466&data=02%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C15c4ae38b7c74ed3bc8608d7d107663f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637207702025859694&sdata=yb7iHhzizZrsloMTgdj%2B4BSg47nWHjV%2FwZePSBNj3cw%3D&reserved=0>
> >
> >
> >
> > The first one has a *aeroway:aerodrome* tag, the second one has a
> > *military:airfield* tag.
> >
> >
> > Iā€™m not sure should I merge these two relations since there are some
> > sporadic differences for the same tag in both relations. Please, I
> > need an extra hand on this.
> >
> >
> > This is an isolated case in whole Australia.
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance,
> >
> > Nemanja
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