[talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Sydney City Tunnels name= vs tunnel:name=

[Andrew Harvey]

Hey Nemanja,

Thanks for the background and your process, but that's not the issue here.
The two other commentators here and myself included thing at least for some
of these cases the tunnel name is considered as the road name on the
ground. So in these cases the name= tag should remain. You can still add
tunnel:name=, but it should also appear in name= since that is the local
name that people use to refer to the road segment.

With that in mind and without hearing any counterpoints (I'm all ears),
I'll re-instate these name tags.

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 20:32, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au <
talk-au at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can share more details about this one.
>
> We have used following two Overpass queries to manually check each of
> bridge and tunnel names:
> Brigde names: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/RWR
> Tunnel names: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/RYB
>
> We could see that all 257 bridges had the name of the street that contains
> "bridge" word (so all of these were false positives), but we found and
> applied ~10 minor fixes here (layer tag was missing, or even there was a
> bridge polygon with the actual bridge name, but way had no attributes about
> it).
>
> Regarding tunnels, we could fix 6 ways, and 17 were false positives.
> However, we could see that some users used tunnel:name tag, but other were
> using name:tunnel.
>
> I could see, in my country, that all tunnels got names (especially on a
> highways/motorways), and some users made a change and added tunnel names
> into the name tag. They've done that because "it is nicer if you see the
> name". We have to have as unique data as possible, not to adjust because of
> render. @Warin61, sounds familiar with landuse/landcover? Render needs to
> be changed, and that is the other story.
>
> I'm at your disposal for any further questions.
>
> Thanks,
> Nemanja
>
> -----Originalna poruka-----
> Od: cleary <osm at 97k.com>
> Poslato: petak, 27. mart 2020. 10:06
> Za: OpenStreetMap <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> Tema: [EXTERNAL] Re: [talk-au] Sydney City Tunnels name= vs tunnel:name=
>
>
> Unless the road has a different name (and I think that would be rare) I
> agree that the road name is the tunnel name.
>
> In my experience, signs show the tunnel name without any other road name.
> Where there are differences of opinion, I think local knowledge is always
> to be preferred.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, at 1:03 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> > There were changes done recently by MS Open Maps team which moved
> > name=* to tunnel:name=*.
> >
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> > I don't think these have seperate tunnel vs road names unlike some
> > bridges which do, and in many cases the road name is considered to be
> > the tunnel name.
> >
> > Does anyone have thoughts on if we should tag name=* and tunnel:name=*
> > as the same, omit name= and just add tunnel:name=*?
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