[talk-au] Fwd: Camp_sites discussion

[Bob Cameron]

Hi Graeme

Admitting ashamedly that I like nothing better than my OSM mkgmap Garmin 
GPS device come up with any overnight viable stopping place nearby.. 
This of course makes me biased, so I apologise for that...

On 22/4/21 11:05 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 at 18:46, Bob Cameron <bob3bob3 at skymesh.com.au 
> <mailto:bob3bob3 at skymesh.com.au>> wrote:
>
>     tourism:camp_site.
>
>
> I was looking at this just a couple of days ago, so thanks for 
> bringing it up, Bob.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site> "is used 
> to map a *campsite* (UK) or *campground* (North American): an area, 
> usually divided into a number of pitches 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_pitch>, where 
> people can camp overnight using tents, camper vans or caravans (aka 
> RVs or motorhomes)"
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site> "is a 
> place where people with caravans / motorhomes / recreational vehicles 
> can stay overnight, or longer, in allotted spaces known as "pitches" 
> or "sites" ... They may also have some space for tents. If a site is 
> primarily for tents, it should be tagged as tourism 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tourism>=camp_site 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site>."
>
> To me, that suggests that camp-site should be taken to be tents only, 
> & if you've got wheels of any sort between you & the ground, so car / 
> camper trailer / caravan / motorhome etc, it should be a caravan-site?
>
I find it quite frustrating to see a caravan_site and camp_site come up 
for the same entity. I get the impression that caravan_site is in fact a 
subset of camp_site and that table list tags under it (camp_site) would 
cover any caravan use. One major difference is that the wiki also lists 
toilets/showers as keys rather than just relying in amenity, whereas 
caravan_site doesn't. Perhaps it is inferred?

I tend to add individual amenity:toilet, amenity:shower etc as many 
camping areas make these facilities available for non campers, sometimes 
with a fee. It is not so common with more commercial caravan parks, some 
even refuse to sell a (paid) shower from the insurance liability 
standpoint. The same kind of variation happens with coin-op laundries at 
caravan parks.

I'd actually like to see the use of caravan_site discouraged but that's 
probably more my bias peeking through.. Would some fast query coder 
please get me the number of au camp_site and caravan_site objects please.

Cheers
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