[talk-au] Converting railway= abandoned to highway=track

[Jonathon Rossi]

I agree BVRT is good, but I wouldn't have mapped railway=abandoned on the
detours around closed bridges. I'd split the way, keep a way with railway=*
joining the bridge, and the rail trail highway detouring down into the
creek.

Relying on relations for the rail trail makes the most sense to me.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 9:04 AM Andrew Hughes <ahhughes at gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI: The Brisbane Valley Rail Trail sounds like a great reference
> implementation.
>
>    - way:
>    https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/48957624#map=15/-27.4582/152.6296
>    - relation: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2205845
>    - ref: https://www.brisbanevalleyrailtrail.com.au/
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 08:21, Josh Marshall <josh.p.marshall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback, Jono, Mike, Ewen, good points.
>>
>> I had considered already where the proposed trail or current accessible
>> track deviates from the old railway, as there are indeed some collapsed
>> bridges and deviations: some of the cuttings are completely overgrown and
>> so the accessible track goes around on the high side. So I will do those as
>> separate ways, but for where the new track matches the railway exactly I
>> will double-tag the way. It's not actually open to vehicles from the public
>> (there's some illegal 4wding happening at times), so will tag no to vehicle
>> access.
>>
>> I checked the Fernleigh Track on OpenRailwayMap
>> https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?lang=null&lat=-32.94859657974205&lon=-208.28267097473145&zoom=15&style=standard
>> re: having the ways tagged as both highway=? and railway=abandoned and it
>> shows up fine there.
>>
>> I will do a new relation for the proposed trail and update the old one
>> with the missing segments (and TIL "gunzel"... interesting origin on that
>> term :O - I'm not one myself but I can appreciate the hobby and will be
>> careful to keep them happy.)
>>
>> Will use all your links as references and reply again when I'm done. Once
>> I've done the updates, I will wait until they filter through to the fitness
>> sites and then go check it all on the ground again.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 2:57 PM Jonathon Rossi <jono at jonorossi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 12:27 PM Josh Marshall <
>>> josh.p.marshall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My proposal is to alter the ways associated with the track to
>>>> highway=track (it’s all wide enough for vehicles), but retain
>>>> railway=abandoned, and add all the missing ways to the above relation.
>>>>
>>>> My main reasoning behind this is to raise it’s visibility as a walk and
>>>> ride option, and allow routing along it, as current routers (Strava,
>>>> Komoot) ignore it altogether (much to my annoyance). It’s what’s been done
>>>> for locally, the Fernleigh Track (
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2269030), and elsewhere eg The
>>>> Great Victorian Rail Trail (
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1043265)
>>>>
>>>> Now the other question is what should be done with the proposal as far
>>>> as adding tags. This way is on the old rail line and part of the proposal,
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243988974 has railway=abandoned,
>>>> highway=proposed and proposed=cycleway. It’s all accessible now, so it
>>>> should be highway=track (surface=unpaved), but then how to tag for the
>>>> proposal?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree, it should have highway=track now if someone could drive on it.
>>> That video on the council website looks like some significant work is going
>>> into this project.
>>>
>>> I'd drop the current "name=Richmond Vale Railway" tag (only if the
>>> tracks have been removed), leave old_name, and add "proposed:name=Richmond
>>> Vale Rail Trail". If the railway tracks remain (as they do in some sections
>>> of imagery at some unknown date) and the rail trail is a different
>>> alignment, you might need to map them separately.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jono
>>>
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