[talk-au] Speed cameras and Safe-T-Cams: revised guideline suggestion

Brendan Barnes brenbarnes at gmail.com
Mon Feb 22 23:25:46 UTC 2021


Perfect. Thanks mate

On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, 09:57 Little Maps, <mapslittle at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Brendan, thanks for the edits, they’re great. Can I add one
> suggestion... I think it’d be good to describe what the safety cams are
> before describing how to tag them. My impression from the discussion was
> that different people thought they meant different things. This requires
> only a short re-ordering of your new text, as follows...
>
> New sub-heading: Heavy vehicle compliance cameras
>
> Fixed cameras which monitor heavy vehicle driver fatigue and other heavy
> vehicle enforcement are often known as "Safe-T-Cams" in [
> https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/speeding-camera-enforcement/index.html|NSW]
> and [
> https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/driving-and-transport/heavy-vehicles/driving-heavy-vehicles-safely|SA].
> There are other sites as part of the [
> https://www.nhvr.gov.au/safety-accreditation-compliance/national-compliance-information-system|National Safety
> Camera Network] in Vic, Qld, and the ACT, which is operated by the federal
> National Heavy Vehicle Regulator, compared to the state-operated cameras of
> NSW and SA.  Heavy vehicle compliance cameras can be mapped using (1)
> highway:hgv=fatigue_management_camera or (2)
> enforcement:hgv=fatigue_management_camera, or perhaps both.
>
> The other paragraphs on speed cameras etc stay the same.
>
> Thanks again, cheers Ian
>
> On 23 Feb 2021, at 9:34 am, Brendan Barnes <brenbarnes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Ian, thanks for summarising the mailing list discussion. Much
> appreciated.
>
> Can I tweak your Australian tagging guideline to the following:
>
> New sub-heading: Speed cameras
> Fixed speed cameras (including those that measure speed at a specific
> point and those that measure average vehicle speed between two points) can
> be tagged in one of two ways: (1) by using the tag highway=speed_camera,
> with or without additional tags (such as maxspeed=*) as described here [
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dspeed_camera], and/or
> (2) by using the tag relation:enforcement with additional tags, as
> described here [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement].
> New sub-heading: Heavy vehicle compliance cameras
> Fixed cameras which monitor heavy vehicle driver fatigue and other heavy
> vehicle enforcement can be mapped using (1)
> highway:hgv=fatigue_management_camera or (2)
> enforcement:hgv=fatigue_management_camera, or perhaps both. These are often
> known as "Safe-T-Cams" in [
> https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/speeding-camera-enforcement/index.html|NSW]
> and [
> https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/driving-and-transport/heavy-vehicles/driving-heavy-vehicles-safely|SA].
> There are other sites as part of the [
> https://www.nhvr.gov.au/safety-accreditation-compliance/national-compliance-information-system|National
> Safety Camera Network] in Vic, Qld, and the ACT, which is operated by the
> federal National Heavy Vehicle Regulator, compared to the state-operated
> cameras of NSW and SA.
>
> Where an installation includes both a speed camera which applies to all
> vehicle types, and a heavy vehicle compliance camera (if such camera
> exists), both sets of tags can be used on the same node.
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 at 17:12, Little Maps <mapslittle at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks, there was a useful discussion the other week about updating the
>> Australian tagging guideline on Safe-T-Cams. I've tried to integrate all
>> the points that were raised in the following text. I guess the broad
>> intention is to better differentiate between speed cameras and Safe-T-Cam
>> cameras in the guidelines. Thanks for a great discussion. All comments
>> welcome. Cheers Ian
>>
>> Existing text:  highway=safe_t_cam   Use this tag to mark the position of
>> the NSW and SA Safe - T - Cam system
>>
>> Suggested replacement (If approved, I suggest this be moved out of the
>> regional roads section and given it's own sub-heading given its relevance
>> to both urban and regional roads)
>>
>> New sub-heading: Speed cameras and "Safe-T-Cam" cameras
>>
>> Fixed speed cameras (including those that measure speed at a specific
>> point and those that measure average vehicle speed between two points) can
>> be tagged in one of two ways: (1) by using the tag highway=speed_camera,
>> with or without additional tags (such as maxspeed=*) as described here [
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dspeed_camera], and/or
>> (2) by using the tag relation:enforcement with additional tags, as
>> described here [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement
>> ].
>>
>> "Safe_T-Cam" cameras in New South Wales and South Australia monitor the
>> movement of heavy vehicles but do not monitor vehicle speed [
>> https://www.nhvr.gov.au/safety-accreditation-compliance/on-road-compliance-and-enforcement/safe-t-cam].
>> They can be mapped using (1) highway:hgv=fatigue_management_camera or (2)
>> enforcement:hgv=fatigue_management_camera, or perhaps both. Where an
>> installation includes both a speed camera and a Safe-T-Cam (if such a thing
>> exists), both sets of tags can be used.
>>
>> Hope I haven't missed anything!
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