[talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Low quality road classification contributions in SA via Microsoft Open Maps Team - contact point?

Graeme Fitzpatrick graemefitz1 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 13 03:19:34 UTC 2021


Hi Nemanja

Sorry, been busy packing to go away!

Thanks for asking for further feedback :-)

Yep, I'd go along with Michael - if it's named on the Govt data, then
highway=unclassified + access=public; if not named highway=unclassified +
access=private.

You'd probably also be able to add surface=unpaved to just about all of
them.

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:56, cleary <osm at 97k.com> wrote:

> Hello again Nemanja
>
> I response to your question, based on my experience, I still have the view
> that unnamed roads in South Australia are not intended for public access.
> Therefore, if mapped, they should be tagged as access=private. I don't
> think there would be any exceptions but, if there are, individual mappers
> who survey such areas could later amend the access tags and/or add names as
> appropriate.
>
> If the roads actually exist then I have no problem with mapping them. My
> particular concern is that failing to tag them as private could endanger
> lives and livelihoods.
>
> Thanks for your diligence in following up this issue
>
> Michael Cleary
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021, at 11:07 PM, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know it might be a vacation period for most people, but if you are
> > still online, we would like to know which method is more acceptable for
> > the whole community before we proceed.
> >
> > I really appreciate any help you can provide.
> > Nemanja
> >
> > *From:* Nemanja Bracko (E-Search)
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 5, 2021 8:59 AM
> > *To:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>; Ewen Hill
> > <ewen.hill at gmail.com>
> > *Cc:* OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> > *Subject:* RE: [talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Low quality road classification
> > contributions in SA via Microsoft Open Maps Team - contact point?
> >
> > Thanks again for the constructive suggestions.
> >
> > My team will treat this very carefully and as a high priority.
> >
> > Two main questions are here:
> >  * Do you want us to correct the classification for every of these
> > ~2500 segments?
> >    * If the answer is Yes, please tell us what to do with the access
> > tag. We will strictly follow your guideline. We would like to fix it in
> > one pass.
> >  * Do you want us to remove all these roads entirely from the map?
> >
> > Both options are completely fine with us since we have a list of these
> > segments already. In any of these two cases, we will process them one
> > by one. No bulk edits will be made.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nemanja
> >
> > *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, July 4, 2021 2:26 AM
> > *To:* Ewen Hill <ewen.hill at gmail.com>
> > *Cc:* OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Low quality road classification
> > contributions in SA via Microsoft Open Maps Team - contact point?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 at 17:28, Ewen Hill <ewen.hill at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The examples below could cause significant resentment to OSM and I
> would suggest that all are private driveways that I can see. Perhaps we
> need to stop updating, reset and look at how to improve the existing edits.
> An initial suggestion could be to set all new roads to private, add a fixme
> and perhaps organise a map-roulette of these? Of the ten edits I sampled,
> all ten appeared to be private driveways on private property.
> > >
> > > I am sure a few of us would be happy to discuss some of these
> changesets with the MS team so we can both learn a little more and see how
> we can assist before large changesets.
> > >
> > >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id&way=955658598#map=16/-33.8579/137.7863
> <
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fedit%3Feditor%3Did%26way%3D955658598%23map%3D16%2F-33.8579%2F137.7863&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C540c3da9302440051c8308d93e82d0c8%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637609554073989630%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%2B%2BQlVcXIJgEUgsOIRftp7n0MmS1vEI%2FDylKZsTC7tQw%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id&way=956458626#map=17/-34.50327/138.97656
> <
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fedit%3Feditor%3Did%26way%3D956458626%23map%3D17%2F-34.50327%2F138.97656&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C540c3da9302440051c8308d93e82d0c8%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637609554073999629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=7OmOT2bGJDvl0AkZpsRPTFpAjy8eg%2BeokGR%2Fw%2FaBhrc%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id&way=956583567#map=16/-32.6304/138.1584
> <
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fedit%3Feditor%3Did%26way%3D956583567%23map%3D16%2F-32.6304%2F138.1584&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C540c3da9302440051c8308d93e82d0c8%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637609554074009621%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=UOV7p34zrYspkirXpMvy%2BnMEvRQLt2iEheYNCNP1IDU%3D&reserved=0
> >
> >
> > Yes, I'd go along with Ewen here.
> >
> > The first of these examples "could" be a through public road, the
> > second looks like two private driveways that join in the middle, & I'd
> > be amazed if the third isn't only a driveway.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Graeme
> >
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